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    I die. I never thought I'd see the day where we'd get more music. @Lachlan is right. Total bop.
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    Regardless, your feelings and the effects of all of this are valid. I gather you're aware enough to know it's not you, but the whole two to tango thing gets tired. Have you looked into a local support group? A lot of them are entirely free and no judgement zones which is really helpful, especially if you're stressed to a breaking point. It's not the only thing that would need to be done to help you move forward, but it's something to help alleviate some of the pain and provide a little direction for how you move forward. Not to mention the people you meet who are good to reach out to when group sessions aren't available. Like I said, though, stay 'you' strong and allow yourself forgiveness, not necessarily to forgive them, but to allow yourself the validation of your feelings that have been created by others.
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    I'm torn between the "family is family" argument and my own sanity every day. As sad as it is, sometimes it's well beyond our own capabilities, no matter how badly we want or try to change it. Do we drive ourselves crazy trying to do what we feel obligated to do, or do we lose family just to save ourselves? There's not one good or easy solution.
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    My situation wasn't any worse, but it was definitely different. It's hard to escape without losing those who you thought you could trust and who had your back. I'm in the situation now where I'm taking care of my grandmother who has dementia. This being the grandmother who badmouthed my father, rightly so, honestly, but not in front of a 5-year-old. Since I'm an individual and had my own opinion, I was labeled as a troublemaker or angry. She just didn't like the fact that I didn't agree with her. And now, here I am cleaning up the piss and shit of a woman who did nothing but rag on me incessantly for not following her every order or whim. Totally different, but you're knee deep in shit, too. Just vent and keep talking. It's the only pathway to sanity. No one, not even family, is worth your own self-destruction. You deserve better than that. Stay strong. It may own you at times, but that doesn't mean you can't regain the control again. Sending positive vibes your way!
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    She definitely took some time to find her groove. It's a shame her 95 sessions were left to rot when they did, I think we'd be talking about a lot more music today if her label hadn't been asshats about distribution. She only began to hit her stride at that point. As Queen of the clubs, she's still being treated like some clown. Let's hope this next year will be rewarding for our patience.
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    I love Get Into You! It's got some excellent album tracks. Tonight's Temptation and Be Careful were robbed. I can see where a lot of people aren't really into it, but it's above LAK for me.
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    Both albums are fantastic. All. Of. Them. ALL. I'll megastan this bitch until I die.
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    I'm hoping she's got a number of new tracks dropping. I'm so excited! I've been waiting far too patiently for too many years. I know she said she's got some music dropping before Xmas, but who the hell knows what 'some' is supposed to fucking mean. Don't tease me, Dannii! I'm too delicate to be let down again.
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    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/dannii-minogue-to-join-uk-group-take-that-on-their-australian-tour/news-story/fc8893bd21280d8368c475d801cc30a3 And Holding On is finally getting released this week. I wasn't expecting the new music to drop officially this fast, but I'm not going to complain!
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    She nearly had completed an album around that time, but due to some legal wranglings of her producer Scott Storch, she couldn't release any of it. I've always wondered what the rest of that era sounded like.
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    Ok, brace yourself, I flipped through my binders and found a few more details regarding both videos, the original single schedule for the SIYWGF album, and the recording of NSAIG. This is all I found, so I PROMISE I'm done turning this topic into Wikipedia! Regarding Geri's simplistic video, yeah, it would seem it would have been much easier to complete and release, but a large portion of the first day's shoot was discarded and the video became a much less interesting affair. There was to be less on the performance front and more on the action shots, but they eventually decided on a half and half scenario. To me, it isn't obvious which idea came first because of a few things. It's Raining Men was a last-minute addition to the album when she was asked to contribute a track to the Bridget Jones soundtrack. It only came to be around December 2000-January 2001. Prior to that, SIYWGF, Feels Like Sex, and Shake Your Bootie Cutie were all being floated as the first single with most of the focus on SYBC and SIYWGF and initial release dates around February, but IRM got pushed back to align more with the movie and soundtrack releases. She had originally begun developing ideas with Jake & Jim (who eventually did both of the IRM and SIYWGF videos) in January with SYBC getting a Bag It Up style treatment, and SIYWGF was to be a Lara Croft/Tomb Raider style video that didn't include the live performance scenario. It's at this point that IRM was going to only be featured on the soundtrack, but not her album and was to be a double a-side with either SYBC or SIYWGF to promote the soundtrack and her album simultaneously. I recalled a Tomb Raider connection and that the bike was intended to be an above ground vehicle in the style of the one Lara used underwater in The Cradle of Life. I also recalled her filming the Scream video during early promo for IRM (which was from March to April), but I wasn't completely sure and I didn't want to throw that out there without finding it in my notes first (what I posted above regarding the filming of the videos was largely from press that came out after Victoria's video was released). I found one of the interviews Geri gave while promoting It's Raining Men in Canada in May 2001 where she confirmed she had already filmed the video, she doesn't discuss the referencing of Lara Croft in too much detail unfortunately or the video for that matter. Going by the article, she arrived in Canada on May 2nd. The date that I have on my printed copy says it was published on May 4th and I did a quick Google search to see if I could find it (you can read it here, but neither the date in the link or on the page align, I'm assuming the June 8th link was when it first appeared on this website as opposed to printed content, and the 2004 link was obviously just an update). I trust my printed copies far more than dates posted online now since I dated everything for their original publication date and the date that I obtained it as they were released (clearly I was a journalist in the making). If she arrived on May 2nd and had filmed the video prior, she would have had to film the video at the very least during the last week of April and would have had to develop a concept at least a couple weeks in advance which would have been a minimum of a month before Victoria obtained NSAIG (they hadn't selected Jake Nava as director until after they obtained the rights to NSAIG in May anyway, and Victoria had little input on the concept for the video which makes what I mention below that much more bizarre). Victoria didn't record NSAIG until April of 2001 along with final recordings for No Trix, No Games, That Kind of Girl, Always Be My Baby, and Feels So Good which had all been 'completed' in late 2000. Originally a song with Rhett Lawrence called Get With You and another song with Soulshock & Karlin called I Want You were on the album before they were replaced by these. Even after she had recorded NSAIG, they didn't get clearance for the track until a couple weeks later after Willa Ford said she had no more interest in releasing it (she recorded it, performed and promoted it for over a year by this point prior to getting signed to a label). Also, I Wish and Girlfriend were both originally floated as first single contenders, but they eventually backed away from them as a contractual obligation with Andrew Frampton required Virgin to release two of his songs, one as the first single and second song as a successive single, after he gave his permission for her to release NSAIG on her album, and the only one they thought was strong enough was NSAIG. The release was a last minute rush as they had very little time between obtaining the track and filming the video. There were even some rumors at the time that the video concept for NSAIG was developed by Jake for an entirely different artist and he merely used it for Victoria since they had little time. Now, I don't know about you, but I find it hard to believe that Victoria/Virgin could have developed a concept for a song they didn't even know existed prior to the latter half of April, let alone a song they wanted on the album, but weren't intending on releasing as a single until later. I still don't think there's enough evidence to suggest that it was anything other than a big coincidence, but I will say the majority of the rumors were fueled by disdain for Geri over her leaving the band. I was a bigger Victoria fan regarding solo music at the time. I was really annoyed at the possibility that Geri stole the idea, but now and even then, I never really saw how it could have been a possibility. There are far too many conflicting events for it to have been as clear cut and dry that Geri stole the bike concept. The chronology of events leading up to July 2001 don't support the claim that Victoria was ripped off in any way. If anything, it makes Victoria seem like the one who copied Geri, although I don't think there's evidence that she knew what Geri was planning for her single either. It wasn't until recordings in 2001 where Victoria first randomly ran into Geri and I doubt after a couple of months they had redeveloped their friendship enough to go into great detail about their lives. It definitely makes for some interesting reads, though. Maybe we'll be lucky and the truth will come out one day.
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    @Vertigo-go I am, it's shameful at this point. It's like being educated beyond usefulness. I know more than is necessary to function as a SG fan. Obsession may put it mildly. Again, I apologize for my horrendous obsession, I've needed medication to cure my Spice illness, but there is none. I had to pull out my binder of useless information to see what I could find on both Whatchu Talkin Bout and the music videos as I remember both rumors being all over the Spice forums back in the day. There were so many discussions on SpiceZone forums back in the day about Whatchu Talkin Bout and whether she was discussing Geri, and I agree that it does seem quite on point. It was recorded in December 2000 and I don't think Geri had popped into the studio to see Victoria until early 2001, their famous first meeting after she left where she bounded into the room with Victoria, David, Brooklyn, and the producers/writers in a state of shock, which Victoria wrote in her book was awkward. The song wasn't discussed on the official interview CD and the interviews that I have with Soulshock & Karlin don't talk about the inspiration for the lyrical content. However, there was an interview where she was asked if it was about Geri and her response was more or less a joke where she said something along the lines of "Finally, someone figured it out" but given the context and the fact that she said it was a song that could be about anyone makes me wonder if she was just being sarcastic, which doesn't translate well through text anyway. There were also rumors that it was about Mel C's lack of involvement in recording Forever and Victoria's disappointment in her bailing on them, too, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it being about any specific one. (Here's a nifty little Billboard page with a photo of Victoria, Soulshock & Karlin in the studio where they note she had recently been in the studio recording Whatchu Talkin Bout) Now the whole flying motorcycle debacle is a massive coincidence at best, but if (and it's a huge if) Geri did get the idea from Victoria, she definitely did not see it in person since she filmed SIYWGF before NSAIG was filmed as it was originally scheduled for a July 2nd release, but pushed back to let It's Raining Men pull in a few more sales. There's definitely a lot of confusion around it all, but I don't think it's anything more than speculation. The original rumor was Victoria saw Geri's video when it was released (a week before hers premiered) and wasn't too happy about the coincidence as she thought people would think she was copying Geri and given the cost and time spent filming NSAIG couldn't do a re-shoot (which did not come directly from Victoria). Then the rumor was that Geri had heard the idea for Victoria's video through mutual friends and that inspired her (again, a quote from a 'source'). Then it was rumored she had visited the set and stole the idea (this was an entirely different source again). Victoria never said anything about it directly, but the only facts we have are the filming of each video. Victoria didn't film her portion of NSAIG until the first week of June 2001 over the course of two days (one day for each persona) and the video premiered in early July (the 1st if SpiceNews is anything to go by). The only post-production completed after she filmed that involved special effects were the scenes involving two Victorias. The digital backgrounds for the bike battle scene were completed prior to the filming of the video to ensure a quick release as the video needed to be out for promotion for a minimum six-week campaign which would have begun the last week of June. Victoria did claim that the concept was developed in late May leading up to the filming and despite being the most expensive solo Spice video, it was massively rushed. NSAIG was originally going to be released in early August, with the album to follow later that month, but she wanted to avoid a chart battle with Geri if Scream was still in the singles charts. The Scream video was filmed over two days as well, but about a week and a half prior to the NSAIG shoot. It was directed by the same guys that did the It's Raining Men video in March 2001, and during and shortly after that shoot they had already begun to develop the concept for the Scream video. Whether or not they came up with the flying Geri idea during this time, who knows? What Geri fans think happened - Nothing. What Victoria fans think happened - Geri copied her. What likely happened? It was 2001, the media were not particularly kind to any of them and Geri and Victoria definitely received the bulk of the negative attention at the time. The story changed a lot over the course of a month and each time it was in the press, it became bigger and more conflicting. I have no clue what really happened obviously, but Geri most certainly did not step on Victoria's set before filming her own video. That's the only thing out of this whole mess that is somewhat clear.
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    I never asked you to agree with me. Eat a Snickers before you turn into Mel B.
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    This Time failed in terms of quality, the best tracks recorded during those sessions were the b-sides. Already Gone and Fragile are up there with May Your Heart, which is definitely the best album track. Carolyna is good, but the rest is just meh imo. It just felt really generic. For me, it was a major let down after Beautiful Intentions.
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    The 1999-2001 SG/solo era has always been something I've had a lot of opinions on, so you've been warned. Novels flow from my fingertips regarding this drama. Geri has always had an ear for a good melody and is still a fairly good lyricist. Their writers have all said that Geri, then Emma, contributed the most to the writing process, especially for Spiceworld and their initial third album recordings in early 1998 (which included Voodoo, hence the reason the released version sounds like an old song - it is, just slightly updated), with the other three occasionally stepping up to add lyrics. Even the early version of Goodbye was a co-write between Geri, Emma, Biff and Matt Rowe with some input from the other three. I'm sure Mel was and possibly still is resentful of Geri's ability to do what she couldn't. I always thought she felt threatened by Geri's ability to be really influential behind the scenes and on stage. There was a long-standing joke amongst fans that Mel's input was more or less her saying whether she liked something or not, but a lot of the behind-the-scenes footage of them recording makes it difficult to argue against that claim. I've also always felt that Geri seemed far more appreciative than Mel of their success. She had this persona of entitlement which was off-putting for so many reasons and doesn't make her seem genuine at all. I do agree with you on Victoria, though. She got the short stick on public image. She clearly doesn't take herself too seriously. Forever's release date had been roughly set for Q4 of 2000 in late 1999. Hot was, at the time, scheduled for a Q1 2000 release which would have made for a moderately lengthy campaign before SG was back, but she wanted it pushed back since she, Emma and Victoria were going to be in Miami recording with Darkchild that spring (which baffles me to this day as they were only going to be there for a two week period). Virgin then wanted to hold the album back for a 2001 release so it would be able to be promoted without distracting the attention from it, but Mel protested and wanted to release it before Forever, much to Virgin's disapproval. Virgin had been sitting on the album for almost a year at this point, largely unchanged, that they reluctantly agreed to let her release it in an attempt to recoup some of the money they had put into it. I still don't understand why they didn't shift it to a Q2 release in 2000 instead. It would have made far more sense and she could have at least said that she couldn't talk about the new SG album yet which would have made Hot the talking point. She also willingly promoted Forever over Hot by initializing the conversation about Forever during numerous interviews, and I honestly don't think she would have talked about Hot at all during that time if she hadn't been asked about it. Perhaps she always knew it was shit and figured a release near Forever would minimize the negative exposure, but we're talking about the woman who released L.A. State of Mind.
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