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3 minutes ago, Agugaga said:

Radio don't like shitty songs, which is why Katy is suffering from a flop streak. nat2 

Why are you counting Birthday and TIHWD when they're respectively 4th and 5th single off a successful album? And Rise is a promo single, nobody cares if it flops. nat2

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15 minutes ago, Agugaga said:

Blaming NBC is not the way to go. aretha1

They've successfully crafted hit singles before...see "Moves Like Jagger." Recorded for the sole intention of cross-promoting The Voice and it became one of the biggest hits of the decade. nat2 

only you could take an entire paragraph about another artist and somehow make it about xtinct's no1curr features 

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7 minutes ago, Benji said:

tell me all you know about musical diversity Nicki and Kesha stan.

For better or worse, Nicki's discography is pretty diverse jj4 

and Kesha well she only got two albums and a majority of ha work was for the label rather than her. In reality she'd be singing different shit by now but lawsuit jj2 

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Just now, Infrared said:

For better or worse, Nicki's discography is pretty diverse jj4 

and Kesha well she only got two albums and a majority of ha work was for the label rather than her. In reality she'd be singing different shit by now but lawsuit jj2 

but Rise is more different than literally ANYTHING kesha released. rip4 and idc for nicki, and no one does except for her pop songs which are the shittiest the industry has seen along with LMFAOs songs

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12 minutes ago, Agugaga said:

Radio don't like shitty songs, which is why Katy is suffering from a flop streak. nat2 

Sis, that is exactly what radio likes. um2  Basic, safe, friendly, superficial...

Rise is a solid song, nothing else. Some artists have released better and catchier songs with hit statuses, but they weren't hits. You never know what the public will accept.

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1 hour ago, Benji said:

but Rise is more different than literally ANYTHING kesha released. rip4 

This argument might hold water if you disregard everything except her singles, but in an actual real sense, no. Lol

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2 hours ago, Onika said:

This argument might hold water if you disregard everything except her singles, but in an actual real sense, no. Lol

Is this where you claim Last Goodbye and Harold Song or whatever are risky and out of the norm pop songs?

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5 minutes ago, Benji said:

Is this where you claim Last Goodbye and Harold Song or whatever are risky and out of the norm pop songs?

They're solid pop ballads, and aren't trying to be anything else.

Let's start with this. Claim all you want that her officially released material is topically "unrisky", or that you don't personally care for her, but stylistically she's most definitely out of the norm. Whether it's your cup of tea or not, her sing-talk style isn't exactly your run of the mill approach to pop. You can hear it pretty frequently throughout Animal + Cannibal, even on the more straightforward pop tracks, but Sleazy is one example of something a little bit different overall. Was she the first person ever to do it? No, of course not, nothing new under the sun and all that, but she's not typical either.

Additionally, based on her live performances and her wide array of unreleased material, it's overwhelmingly clear she has a knack for a lot of different genres. Given that, and how obvious it is that her albums were pushed in a particular direction by Luke and the label, it's disingenuous to pretend that "a basic pop song" is all she can do, when that's been thoroughly debunked. You may not like some of it, or any of it, but that doesn't change that fact.

Inb4 "tl;dr" jj5

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4 hours ago, Onika said:

They're solid pop ballads, and aren't trying to be anything else.

Let's start with this. Claim all you want that her officially released material is topically "unrisky", or that you don't personally care for her, but stylistically she's most definitely out of the norm. Whether it's your cup of tea or not, her sing-talk style isn't exactly your run of the mill approach to pop. You can hear it pretty frequently throughout Animal + Cannibal, even on the more straightforward pop tracks, but Sleazy is one example of something a little bit different overall. Was she the first person ever to do it? No, of course not, nothing new under the sun and all that, but she's not typical either.

Additionally, based on her live performances and her wide array of unreleased material, it's overwhelmingly clear she has a knack for a lot of different genres. Given that, and how obvious it is that her albums were pushed in a particular direction by Luke and the label, it's disingenuous to pretend that "a basic pop song" is all she can do, when that's been thoroughly debunked. You may not like some of it, or any of it, but that doesn't change that fact.

Inb4 "tl;dr" jj5

basically that implies that This Is How We Do is out of the norm rip4 please, theres nothing risky about anything kesha related, she made radio candy and became a hasbeen because she is just THAT. with Katy theres substance to her music.

also, theres nothing risky about her image, looking trashy is literally one of the reasons she became famous. or do you think people thought of her as this risky, avant garde artist rip4 

katy has tackled literally every genre of pop fusion with all of her albums yet people still try to make it look like she doesnt, including you. 

and Rise is an anthem that isnt trying to be anything else, so y u mad?

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she performed it at DNC and broke NBC's exclusivity and as a result they didn't play the song.


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