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@Li'l Sebastian

The same old reply, ignoring nearly everything I said, not even being aware of the post being quoted containing valid counter-arguments to the repeated new accusations ("I can enjoy songs without being obsessed and pressed about them because they are not masterpieces" - cackling, I literally addressed that, I guess you don't read my entire post before quoting), ignoring valid accusations about hypocrisy and contradicting behavior oprah3

I'll gladly go fuck myself now, what a better way to spend my time sass4

You continue enjoying ARTPOP while posting about how much of a shit record it is to LMs while I stay silent about my dislike for RH except if it helps me to get a point across to LMs who I actually want to have a constructive conversation with instead of the embarrassing childish "your fav sucks"; "no your fav sucks" idiocies you like to invest in rih2 Lemme play Auto-Tune Baby rn and relish in the fact that you only insulted yourself by calling me out for behavior you excel in yourself sass5

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32 minutes ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

INCREASED also means going from 10 spins to 12 next days because that's what INCREASE means lmfao1

 

 

I'M ASKING YOU FOR RECEIPTS OF THOSE SPINS? WHAT WAS HER PEAK ON CHART THAT IS ACTUALLY BASED ON SPINS?

 

 

 

"Why weren't her singles played at ALL on POP radios? Why?" - Lil Sebastian, a page ago.

Living For Love release date : December 20th, 2014.

 

February 17th, the song is put on rotation in these stations :

WHTZ-FM - Z-100 – New York - #1 market
KIIS-FM - 102.7 KIIS-FM – Los Angeles #2 market
WKSC-FM - 103.5 KISS-FM – Chicago #3 market
WXKS-FM - Kiss 108 – Boston #4 market 

Position on iTunes : out of the top 250

February 18th, 2015 :

38 MADONNA Living For Love 767 43 724 5.376
+197 spins
+194 bullet

Position on iTunes : #237


-Inside Radio's top 40 already-

126 45 MADONNA Living For Love 570 40 530 4.110

+143 Spins
+113 Bullet

 

February 19th, 2015 :

+214 spins
+206 bullet

 

iTunes position : #225 

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February 20th :

35 MADONNA Living For Love 1177 63 1114 7.903

+196 spins
+184 bullet

iTunes position : #235 

February 21th : 

35 MADONNA Living For Love 1498 80 1418 9.684

+321 spins
+304 bullet

iTunes position : #232.

 

Clearly, despite radio support, people didn't buy the song.

So shut the fuck up you and your lies. demi1

 

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28 minutes ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

I mean it's so obvious at this point that you're simply trolling because one person can not be this stupid lmfao1

I mean sure, it had no affect, she can just release single physically and it will debut high on charts ww. EXCEPT NOT. That's not the case anymore. It's not like radio djs can actually check itunes and streaming services to see what's hot, it's not like mostly new generations use those things. Nah, it had no impact on music industry! I mean madonna is flopping for what reasons exactly? I'm still waiting for that ANSWER. I mean her singles are acclaimed and public doesn't mind 60 years old pop singer according to you. And nothing has changed since 2005...

Come the fuck on.

Every single from RH had its own talked about mv (check BIM's YouTube views, every single was performed at huge promo spots (esp. LFL at the fucking Grammy's and the BRITs), every single made it to #1 on the US Hot Dance Club charts, two of those singles ended up in the Year-End US Hot Dance Club chart's top 10,... the song was around, people were aware (the media buzz surrounding the leak was global), they heard it in the club, saw it promoted on Grindr (remember that) and streaming services, they just didn't care this time around ari1

That says nothing bad about Madonna, but can you stop pretending she can only have success if people force her songs down radio listeners' throats? That alone is an insult ayumi1 Yes there is ageism working against her, but it's idiotic to suggest that people refused to stream or purchase her songs (that were visible despite not getting major radio pushes - who the fuck lets radio decide what they're gonna listen to these days anyway; not a very relevant group) simply because they thought she was too old bey4 Maybe they just didn't like them. Embrace that possibility for fucking once.

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22 minutes ago, Nocturn said:

It does affect many artists.

TBH It is a thing that happens to many artists who are in the music industry for years. In some way it is natural. Usually most of the teen generations choose younger artists, small percent like older artists. That's how it goes and always will.

However, the problem becomes when some radio stations say they don't want to play older artists and their new music. That shouldn't be ignored. Even shows like VMAs don't care about older artists who defined MTV. Madonna slayed during COADF, but she didn't get any MTV award in 2006. Usually people who slay so hard get an award. What was MTV's excuse?

I believe she was nominated for EMAs, Billboard Awards + Australian MTV awards... and won a Grammy. nat2

Why didn't she win? because the likes Justin Timberlake / Christina Aguilera had a more committed voting fan base at the time : teenagers.

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3 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

Come the fuck on.

Every single from RH had its own talked about mv (check BIM's YouTube views, every single was performed at huge promo spots (esp. LFL at the fucking Grammy's and the BRITs), every single made it to #1 on the US Hot Dance Club charts, two of those singles ended up in the Year-End US Hot Dance Club chart's top 10,... the song was around, people were aware (the media buzz surrounding the leak was global), they heard it in the club, saw it promoted on Grindr (remember that) and streaming services, they just didn't care this time around ari1

That says nothing bad about Madonna, but can you stop pretending she can only have success if people force her songs down radio listeners' throats? That alone is an insult ayumi1 Yes there is ageism working against her, but it's idiotic to suggest that people refused to stream or purchase her songs (that were visible despite not getting major radio pushes - who the fuck lets radio decide what they're gonna listen to these days anyway; not a very relevant group) simply because they thought she was too old bey4Maybe they just didn't like them. Embrace that possibility for fucking once.

What are you talking about? they liked it, but they were too ageist to purchase it of course. alex1

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25 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

@Li'l Sebastian

The same old reply, ignoring nearly everything I said, not even being aware of the post being quoted containing valid counter-arguments to the repeated new accusations ("I can enjoy songs without being obsessed and pressed about them because they are not masterpieces" - cackling, I literally addressed that, I guess you don't read my entire post before quoting), ignoring valid accusations about hypocrisy and contradicting behavior oprah3

I'll gladly go fuck myself now, what a better way to spend my time sass4

You continue enjoying ARTPOP while posting about how much of a shit record it is to LMs while I stay silent about my dislike for RH except if it helps me to get a point across to LMs who I actually want to have a constructive conversation with instead of the embarrassing childish "your fav sucks"; "no your fav sucks" idiocies you like to invest in rih2 Lemme play Auto-Tune Baby rn and relish in the fact that you only insulted yourself by calling me out for behavior you excel in yourself sass5

If you haven't noticed already after 100 posts i am ignoring everything that is not about why i quoted you. You are engaging in so many random discussion that i don't care about.

 

And once again you're putting your words in my mouth about artpop.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Jjang said:

"Why weren't her singles played at ALL on POP radios? Why?" - Lil Sebastian, a page ago.

Living For Love release date : December 20th, 2014.

 

February 17th, the song is put on rotation in these stations :

WHTZ-FM - Z-100 – New York - #1 market
KIIS-FM - 102.7 KIIS-FM – Los Angeles #2 market
WKSC-FM - 103.5 KISS-FM – Chicago #3 market
WXKS-FM - Kiss 108 – Boston #4 market 

Position on iTunes : out of the top 250

February 18th, 2015 :

38 MADONNA Living For Love 767 43 724 5.376
+197 spins
+194 bullet

Position on iTunes : #237


-Inside Radio's top 40 already-

126 45 MADONNA Living For Love 570 40 530 4.110

+143 Spins
+113 Bullet

 

February 19th, 2015 :

+214 spins
+206 bullet

 

iTunes position : #225 

10948869_585677611576847_1584226294_n.jp

 

February 20th :

35 MADONNA Living For Love 1177 63 1114 7.903

+196 spins
+184 bullet

iTunes position : #235 

February 21th : 

35 MADONNA Living For Love 1498 80 1418 9.684

+321 spins
+304 bullet

iTunes position : #232.

 

Clearly, despite radio support, people didn't buy the song.

So shut the fuck up you and your lies. demi1

 

WHAT RADIO SUPPORT? lmfao1 Song barely entered top 40 on ONE FORMAT for FEW DAYS and it is radio support lmfao1

Full radio report

29.12.14 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.156
02.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.231 (+ 0.075)
03.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.237 (+ 0.006)
04.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.262 (+ 0.025)
05.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.290 (+ 0.028)
11.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.271
04.02.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.228
09.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.261 (- 0.007)
10.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.576 (+ 0.315)
11.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.587 (+ 0.011)
12.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.620 (+ 0.033)
13.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.645 (+ 0.025)
14.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.698 (+ 0.053)
15.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.253 (+ 1.555)
16.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 3.605 (+ 1.352)
17.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 4.584 (+ 0.979)
18.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 5.927 (+ 1.343)
19.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 7.283 (+ 1.356)
20.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 8.588 (+ 1.305)
21.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 10.144 (+ 1.556)
22.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 9.299 (- 0.845)
23.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 8.634 (- 0.665)
24.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 7.504 (- 1.130)
25.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 6.326 (- 1.178)
26.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 5.024 (- 1.302)
27.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 3.835 (- 1.189)
28.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.587 (- 1.248)
01.03.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.220 (- 0.367)

 

 

WHERE IS THAT RADIO SUPPORT? I DON'T SEE IT lmfao1

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT RADIO SUPPORT MEANS? lmfao1

 

Literally shut the fuck up with your lies lmfao1 you don't even know what radio support means lmfao1

 

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1 minute ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

WHAT RADIO SUPPORT? lmfao1 Song barely entered top 40 on ONE FORMAT for FEW DAYS and it is radio support lmfao1

Full radio report

29.12.14 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.156
02.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.231 (+ 0.075)
03.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.237 (+ 0.006)
04.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.262 (+ 0.025)
05.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.290 (+ 0.028)
11.01.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.271
04.02.15 MADONNA - Living For Love: 0.228
09.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.261 (- 0.007)
10.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.576 (+ 0.315)
11.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.587 (+ 0.011)
12.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.620 (+ 0.033)
13.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.645 (+ 0.025)
14.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 0.698 (+ 0.053)
15.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.253 (+ 1.555)
16.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 3.605 (+ 1.352)
17.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 4.584 (+ 0.979)
18.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 5.927 (+ 1.343)
19.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 7.283 (+ 1.356)
20.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 8.588 (+ 1.305)
21.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 10.144 (+ 1.556)
22.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 9.299 (- 0.845)
23.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 8.634 (- 0.665)
24.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 7.504 (- 1.130)
25.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 6.326 (- 1.178)
26.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 5.024 (- 1.302)
27.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 3.835 (- 1.189)
28.02.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.587 (- 1.248)
01.03.15 MADONNA – Living For Love: 2.220 (- 0.367)

 

 

WHERE IS THAT RADIO SUPPORT? I DON'T SEE IT lmfao1

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT RADIO SUPPORT MEANS? lmfao1

 

Literally shut the fuck up with your lies lmfao1 you don't even know what radio support means lmfao1

 

Radio support means getting spins, which it got, radio support at a higher level means being put on rotation, which it did. But despite all of that - Audio Impressions were low and iTunes positions kept tanking. People didnt like the song, they were aware of it, but they didnt like it. Deal with it.

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24 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

Come the fuck on.

Every single from RH had its own talked about mv (check BIM's YouTube views, every single was performed at huge promo spots (esp. LFL at the fucking Grammy's and the BRITs), every single made it to #1 on the US Hot Dance Club charts, two of those singles ended up in the Year-End US Hot Dance Club chart's top 10,... the song was around, people were aware (the media buzz surrounding the leak was global), they heard it in the club, saw it promoted on Grindr (remember that) and streaming services, they just didn't care this time around ari1

That says nothing bad about Madonna, but can you stop pretending she can only have success if people force her songs down radio listeners' throats? That alone is an insult ayumi1 Yes there is ageism working against her, but it's idiotic to suggest that people refused to stream or purchase her songs (that were visible despite not getting major radio pushes - who the fuck lets radio decide what they're gonna listen to these days anyway; not a very relevant group) simply because they thought she was too old bey4 Maybe they just didn't like them. Embrace that possibility for fucking once.

nothing you wrote here equals to huge radio support where everyone can hear song, fall in love with it and buy it, which is literally the case with every single song that is big on radio.

She NEVER had a song that was hit WITHOUT radio support. And before you mention Hung Up, song spent only FEW weeks in top 20 and only thanks to digital downloads, that song would've NEVER become top 40 hit in 2016.

 

No she doesn't have a single chance of scoring a hit WITHOUT big radio support. She's a fucking pop star who debuted in MTV and radio eras. Not in streaming era. Not in vevo era. She's not AC singer, she's a fucking pop star who needs POP MAINSTREAM support.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

If you haven't noticed already after 100 posts i am ignoring everything that is not about why i quoted you. You are engaging in so many random discussion that i don't care about.

But you quoted me about me supposedly using lies and excuses about not liking RH and selling my opinion as fact sass4 I have repeated up till now that if I have done that, you've done it in this same thread 1000x worse and that I, throughout, kept on repeating that it was just my opinion and I didn't believe that there was any problematic bias about that sass5 So then why is this discussion still going, if I directly tackled the reason you quoted me? Why are you still not replying to the actually relevant things I wrote about the exact accusations you had a problem with and led to you quoting me? rih2 Give it up, bitch.

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7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Radio support means getting spins, which it got, radio support at a higher level means being put on rotation, which it did. But despite all of that - Audio Impressions were low and iTunes positions kept tanking. People didnt like the song, they were aware of it, but they didnt like it. Deal with it.

It doesn't work like that lmfao1 song is not going to blow up if it's getting moderate spins for only few days and only during ITS OFFICIAL RADIO RELEASE week.

 

And that happened exactly 2 months after song was released.

 

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2 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

But you quoted me about me supposedly using lies and excuses about not liking RH and selling my opinion as fact sass4 I have repeated up till now that if I have done that, you've done it in this same thread 1000x worse and that I, throughout, kept on repeating that it was just my opinion and I didn't believe that there was any problematic bias about that sass5 So then why is this discussion still going, if I directly tackled the reason you quoted me? Why are you still not replying to the actually relevant things I wrote about the exact accusations you had a problem with and led to you quoting me? rih2 Give it up, bitch.

And once again you're telling me why i quoted you (which is not true) even when i said multiple times the reason why I quoted you lmfao1

Since you came here you had that shitty attitude "i despise 10s madonna so that automatically means that my opinion is legit and yours is not since you are delusional for liking RH" and I ignored it every time, but not this time.

 

I QUOTED YOU FOR THE SHIT THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN not for your opinion.

 

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15 minutes ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

And once again you're telling me why i quoted you (which is not true) even when i said multiple times the reason why I quoted you lmfao1

Reasons you quoted me using direct quotes:

- "You're only judging RH like that becuse of her catalog. That's a fact." (your first reply to me)

- "Was I attacking you for not liking or i quoted you when you wrote shit that couldn't be further from truth? [this is already a lie, because your first reply was actually just about me not liking RH] Nothing she ever did in her whole career was tolerated because she is madonna, everything was JUDGED harsher because she IS madonna." + then you ignored my arguments about that (for example: why was RH better reviewed than AL, HC & MDNA?) + you ignored me repeating that I was only talking about her basicness being tolerated on RH alone, not regarding any other facet of her career now or then gaga11

So you see, you're lying about why you started quoting me, and, exactly like I'm saying, you then keep ignoring my actual argumented responses to what you claim now is the real reason you started quoting me dead4 I explained why I thought it was reasonable to suggest that music critics were less hard on Madge, so did Jjang (the album was better received than her more qualitative releases from a couple of years earlier; all her singles were well received while her younger peers were getting harsher criticisms for reasons that also applied to RH's singles) and you just ignored it and kept repeating how I was biased and spewing bs without having one good argument to use in response interesting1 That does not a convincing conversation make, buddy.

So no, you're dodging again, I'm right about what happened in this convo, you are not.

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24 minutes ago, Li'l Sebastian said:

Since you came here you had that shitty attitude "i despise 10s madonna so that automatically means that my opinion is legit and yours is not since you are delusional for liking RH" and I ignored it every time, but not this time.

Show me the fucking receipts bitch. I only mentioned RH once before on this forum ayumi1 

Anyway, is that supposed to be impressive coming from someone who judges other Madonna fans for liking songs and outfits he doesn't like? interesting1 Didn't you just say that I lost all my credibility as a fan because I enjoyed Auto-Tune Baby and her Met Gala look? I gave you a full list of everything I enjoyed of post-10's Madonna and you're still pretending I've blasted her on this forum constantly and you're being the big champ for standing up to my filth finally dead2 It's embarrassing when you're the one who's the arrogant Madonna elitist who will shame other fans for their taste, something I have never done here, least of all in this thread where I only mentioned I didn't like RH to protect myself from the usual LM "WELL YOUR FAV JUST RELEASED COMA HEART" nonsense bey4 Try again.

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