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[Infrared 20,649]

Trying to understand the mess in the middle east is just too much  It's like 7 countries and within those 7 countries, militant groups rising and collapsing  

 

also this  

 

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

42 minutes ago, Infrared said:

Trying to understand the mess in the middle east is just too much  It's like 7 countries and within those 7 countries, militant groups rising and collapsing  

 

also this  

 

Just memorize the countries and never think of it again

That's what my old poly-sci professor advised us to do

 

[Infrared 20,649]

2 minutes ago, Mamacita said:

Just memorize the countries and never think of it again

That's what my old poly-sci professor advised us to do

 

I think what makes it confusing is the religions within them. I was watching this Vox video today and that area is just so problematic

Like there's this 

 

and then this 

 

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

Just now, Infrared said:

I think what makes it confusing is the religions within them. I was watching this Vox video today and that area is just so problematic

Like there's this 

 

and then this 

 

That's partially why it's messy in the region, and frankly it's why the efforts of every colonial power that has tried to impose its will on the region has been met with near abject failure, Sunni and Shia Muslims have been fighting each other for thousands of years. The roots of that difference can be found at pretty much every single conflict and the rise of each para-military/terrorist organization. 

It truly is a confusing cluster fuck.  

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

I cannot stand it when people source poorly researched hit pieces. 

I understand their motivation, but they clearly do not understand that the people that voted for Donald Trump already have no faith in the media, and with him spouting this narrative of fake news to them, articles that are clearly incorrect are used as proof that it actually is happening - and that cycle continues. If you're going to write one, make sure that it is totally above reproach, and completely and utterly correct. So Kellyanne Conway can't go on TV and tell everyone with that crazed look in her eye that they're all out to get President Trump. 

Jesus fuck. 

Is that so fucking hard to understand? We get it, he's a disaster as President, but don't write an article every time he breathes and fill it with lies. 

 

[Infrared 20,649]

Mess

 

 

[Infrared 20,649]

  Did he mean to say 7  

 

 

 

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

7 hours ago, Infrared said:

  Did he mean to say 7  

 

 

 

2017-17=2000? 

Bet you somebody's getting their ass reamed in the White House tonight. 

[Vertigo-go 18,832]

Imagine being such a vile piece of shit, you spend your last months by trying to take away people's healthcare, while being treated at the expense of the people

They're all unbelievable, disgusting, self-serving autocrats

 

[Jake 19,503]

I was going to give McCain a break, but guess not   You get TOP billing health care that saved your fucking life, yet you go off and say "yes" to taking away health care for millions of people. War hero or not, you're fucking trash and I hope you suffer one day

[Infrared 20,649]

Woo this healthcare bill situation is hilarious   The girls keeps trying it. It's not going to happen this year. Work with the fucking Democrats and stop trying to push it under the rug. 

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

You know, I keep wondering if he actually thinks it over or just stumbles along. 

This non-accommodation, and virtual banning, of transgendered people from the military is the perfect story to get Democrats foaming at the mouth and distract people from Russian thing. He did the same thing during the campaign. 

If he weren't such a lowdown piece of shit for it, I'd almost admire the strategy.

[Jake 19,503]

have a bad feeling the skinny repeal's gonna pass

[Anna-wa 39,629]

Okay, YES offense, why are there still some oppressed people who are surprised when the guy they voted for doesn't care about them? He never cared about you, he doesn't even care that you feel insulted by his new policies. He doesn't. And that's who you voted for: someone who goes against your own best interests. I wish you could've seen it when you were voting for him, and I'm really not sure why you couldn't because he wasn't subtle about it at all. He doesn't care about you, he doesn't care about any of us. And he never did.

 

[Dennis Reynolds 20,359]

@Systemagic @Mamacita

 

I thought this was a good article, and sums up well that the Democratic Party ought to get their shit together quickly: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democratic-party-doesn-unpopular-article-1.2993659

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

12 minutes ago, Breathless Mahoney said:

@Systemagic @Mamacita

 

I thought this was a good article, and sums up well that the Democratic Party ought to get their shit together quickly: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democratic-party-doesn-unpopular-article-1.2993659

I fear that if you were to follow the guidance of the author of that article, the Democratic Party would become even more unpopular amongst the general voting electorate. With the way our system is set up, you can't govern the country with the consent of the three or four biggest populated states, you need the majority of all of the states. If this past election proves anything, it proves that the United States is still a center-right right country. Maybe more center than it was 20 years ago, but it is not on the left or even leaning left. 

In 20 years with the full demographic shift, this might happen, but we can't wait that long.

Pivoting even further left will just destroy the party in every state but California and New York. They need to reach back into the center and try for that blue-collar New Democrat centrism that Bill Clinton perfected. 

Instead of just going down the road that these millennial Democrats are leading the party, when they lead the party to its worst electoral defeat in a generation. The only thing stopping the Republicans is their own stupidity, but once they get over that, god help us all. 

Or maybe Mr. King advocates that route, I don't know, when I saw his name I didn't read it

Sorry

 

 

 

[Dennis Reynolds 20,359]

4 minutes ago, Mamacita said:

I fear that if you were to follow the guidance of the author of that article, the Democratic Party would become even more unpopular amongst the general voting electorate. With the way our system is set up, you can't govern the country with the consent of the three or four biggest populated states, you need the majority of all of the states. If this past election proves anything, it proves that the United States is a center-right right country. Pivoting even further left will just destroy the party in every state but California and New York. They need to reach back into the center and try for that blue-collar New Democrat centrism that Bill Clinton perfected. 

Instead of just going down the road that these millennial Democrats are leading the party, when they lead the party to its worst electoral defeat in a generation. The only thing stopping the Republicans is their own stupidity, but once they get over that, god help us all. 

Or maybe Mr. King advocates that route, I don't know, when I saw his name I didn't read it

Sorry

 

 

 

 

 

I never even heard of him before this tbh, I'm not in full agreement with everything he says here but I thought he made a lot of good points in this article. Why don't you like him? Justified as it may be, criticising Trump is pretty easy and has cost him very few of his supporters, and unless they make some serious changes he's probably gonna win next time around too.  

[Darth Sidious 11,696]

4 minutes ago, Breathless Mahoney said:

 

 

I never even heard of him before this tbh, I'm not in full agreement with everything he says here but I thought he made a lot of good points in this article. Why don't you like him? Justified as it may be, criticising Trump is pretty easy and has cost him very few of his supporters, and unless they make some serious changes he's probably gonna win next time around too.  

He's irritating

And that's the whole argument, do you further left than Hillary Clinton who lost all of the states that matter, or do you adopt the more centered approach of her husband who won all the states that matter.

 

[Vertigo-go 18,832]

I just saw this quote by Carson and pissed myself, this is such a 1000% rich babyboomer 'haves' thing to say, I fucking

"In keeping with his Seventh-day Adventist faith Carson announced in 2014 his belief, "that the United States will play a big role" in the coming apocalypse. He went on to say, "I hope by that time I'm not around anymore."

 

 

This is priceless

[Dennis Reynolds 20,359]

2 minutes ago, Mamacita said:

He's irritating

And that's the whole argument, do you further left than Hillary Clinton who lost all of the states that matter, or do you adopt the more centered approach of her husband who won all the states that matter.

 

My fear is that in order to win, they really are gonna get some popular celebrity figure like The Rock or something in order to compete  The guy who wrote The Art of the Deal running against The Scorpion King for president really would be a sign of the times.