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1 minute ago, Vertigo-go said:

What do you propose? I agree with countries like Austria, that are very serious about any nationalist movements. Preventive measures should be a major thing, instead those secret/low-key nazis that support them, give them platform to speak at bloody universities.

Something like that would be great, but I don't think it'll ever happen in the US though

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nah nazis deserve to be punched

 

i had the exact same opinion as you @Jony but sometimes beliefs are so extreme that you have to resort to violence. there is no hearing out nazis. there is no debating against nazis. they want white supremacy and literally want a genocide.

 

so i have come to the conclusion that anytime a nazi gets punched, they deserve it. that guy was talking about exterminating black people, hence the punch.

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3 minutes ago, Sean said:

nah nazis deserve to be punched

 

i had the exact same opinion as you @Jony but sometimes beliefs are so extreme that you have to resort to violence. there is no hearing out nazis. there is no debating against nazis. they want white supremacy and literally want a genocide.

 

so i have come to the conclusion that anytime a nazi gets punched, they deserve it. that guy was talking about exterminating black people, hence the punch.

I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm far from a violent person, but the Richard Spencers and Milo Yiannopouloses of the world deserve far worse than a punch. We have a moral obligation to fuck them up on sight tbh.

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Just now, Tiny Little Bows said:

I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm far from a violent person, but the Richard Spencers and Milo Yiannopouloses of the world deserve far worse than a punch. We have a moral obligation to fuck them up on sight tbh.

Even looking/hearing their names DISGUSTS me along with katie kopkins & pier morgans 

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14 minutes ago, Sean said:

nah nazis deserve to be punched

 

i had the exact same opinion as you @Jony but sometimes beliefs are so extreme that you have to resort to violence. there is no hearing out nazis. there is no debating against nazis. they want white supremacy and literally want a genocide.

 

so i have come to the conclusion that anytime a nazi gets punched, they deserve it. that guy was talking about exterminating black people, hence the punch.

I'm not tolerating actual nazi supporters and enthusiasts, my first post was referring to berkeley and beating trump supporters, not Spencer who got punched some days ago.

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7 hours ago, Jony said:

Like I said earlier it ends up making them look sane dead2 That fucktard Milo is seen as the victim now dead2 

A nazi woman pissed at our house once. My mum saw that and took the garden hose and put in the direction of the nazi woman and she got so wet lmao. She got mad and yelled: "stupid kike". So you think that nazi woman is a victim and my mother an aggressor for defending herself? 

 

Especially Richard Spencer is a dangerous person who supports concentration camps as an example. He is a dangerous person and with trump he is not afraid to show his disgusting ideology publically. So let's make him afraid again 

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1 hour ago, Justin Bieber said:

A nazi woman pissed at our house once. My mum saw that and took the garden hose and put in the direction of the nazi woman and she got so wet lmao. She got mad and yelled: "stupid kike". So you think that nazi woman is a victim and my mother an aggressor for defending herself? 

 

Especially Richard Spencer is a dangerous person who supports concentration camps as an example. He is a dangerous person and with trump he is not afraid to show his disgusting ideology publically. So let's make him afraid again 

Thought it was quite obvious I was talking about public events with huge media coverage jj4 And omg I never once mentioned the Spencer guy, wasn't brought up by me at all, didn't even remember who he was, wouldn't defend him. My op was specifically about things that happened at Berkeley when the protest turned into a riot.

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9 hours ago, Sean said:

nah nazis deserve to be punched

 

i had the exact same opinion as you @Jony but sometimes beliefs are so extreme that you have to resort to violence. there is no hearing out nazis. there is no debating against nazis. they want white supremacy and literally want a genocide.

 

so i have come to the conclusion that anytime a nazi gets punched, they deserve it. that guy was talking about exterminating black people, hence the punch.

Absolutely not. You are foolish if you seriously believe that the "alt-right / neonazi" are just a bunch of violent crazies who want to exterminate all but the white race. This kind of ignorance (and your call for violence which is absolutely hyporcritical imo) is exactly what will reinforce their anti-left sentiment and further radicalise their beliefs. It's NEVER too late for discussions, and imo it's quite sad that a majority of the left lack the courage to have an HONEST discussion with the right without prematurely shrugging them off as insane pack of delusionals who are stuck in the 19th century. Saying that there is "no debating nazis" is pure cowardice. If their beliefs are so wrong and deluded, it should be easy to prevail in a discussion, shouldn't it? Trust me, I've tried, and it's not. Especially the new generation of "alt-rights" are mostly very intelligent, well-read people who mostly argue very reasonably and justify their beliefs in a surprisingly conclusive way. If we want to keep them in check, it should be our job to keep pace with them, face their arguments and convince ourselves (and them) again and again why we have chosen different beliefs. Brushing them off is pure laziness and a sign of surrender, that will eventually hit us back. 

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19 minutes ago, fab said:

Absolutely not. You are foolish if you seriously believe that the "alt-right / neonazi" are just a bunch of violent crazies who want to exterminate all but the white race. This kind of ignorance (and your call for violence which is absolutely hyporcritical imo) is exactly what will reinforce their anti-left sentiment and further radicalise their beliefs. It's NEVER too late for discussions, and imo it's quite sad that a majority of the left lack the courage to have an HONEST discussion with the right without prematurely shrugging them off as insane pack of delusionals who are stuck in the 19th century. Saying that there is "no debating nazis" is pure cowardice. If their beliefs are so wrong and deluded, it should be easy to prevail in a discussion, shouldn't it? Trust me, I've tried, and it's not. Especially the new generation of "alt-rights" are mostly very intelligent, well-read people who mostly argue very reasonably and justify their beliefs in a surprisingly conclusive way. If we want to keep them in check, it should be our job to keep pace with them, face their arguments and convince ourselves (and them) again and again why we have chosen different beliefs. Brushing them off is pure laziness and a sign of surrender, that will eventually hit us back. 

lmao no, thats literally the point of fascism. they aren't alt-right/neonazi if they don't believe in such things.

 

i dont think u realize how serious some ppl are about beliefs and its not okay to go around saying shit like exterminate x minority.

 

also im talking about moreso ones who are actually extremely vocal about that sorta shite. im not talking about ones you can actually have a conversation without them shooting off their mouth 

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31 minutes ago, Tiny Little Bows said:

Whatever, I'mma keep punching alt-righters and neo-Nazis in the mouth. Only clowns entertain the circus!

See, that's exactly the point. Words and not violence are needed to fight the radical right (and left), and you just choose to easy path of being ignorant.

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5 hours ago, Sean said:

lmao no, thats literally the point of fascism. they aren't alt-right/neonazi if they don't believe in such things.

i dont think u realize how serious some ppl are about beliefs and its not okay to go around saying shit like exterminate x minority.

also im talking about moreso ones who are actually extremely vocal about that sorta shite. im not talking about ones you can actually have a conversation without them shooting off their mouth 

Lets not pretend the radical right are an isolated group of insane fascists - nationalist / anti-left / anti-Islam sentiments of various degrees are EXTREMELY widespread in Europe and America and will continue to gain power if we don't take them seriously. And calling for violence is achieving the exact opposite of that. 

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13 minutes ago, fab said:

See, that's exactly the point. Words and not violence are needed to fight the radical right (and left), and you just choose to easy path of being ignorant.

Words truly saved my ancestors from the holocaust :')

The only way to fight those nazis is like this lady is doing:

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14 minutes ago, fab said:

Lets not pretend the radical right are an isolated group of insane fascists - nationalist / anti-left / anti-Islam sentiments of various degrees are EXTREMELY widespread in Europe and America and will continue to gain power if we don't take them seriously. And calling for violence is achieving the exact opposite of that. 

So we just let them be ignorant and racist? Nope, we need to defend ourselves. Do you think my mum acted wrong here?

 

8 hours ago, Justin Bieber said:

A nazi woman pissed at our house once. My mum saw that and took the garden hose and put in the direction of the nazi woman and she got so wet lmao. She got mad and yelled: "stupid kike". So you think that nazi woman is a victim and my mother an aggressor for defending herself? 

 

Especially Richard Spencer is a dangerous person who supports concentration camps as an example. He is a dangerous person and with trump he is not afraid to show his disgusting ideology publically. So let's make him afraid again 

 

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2 minutes ago, Justin Bieber said:

Words truly saved my ancestors from the holocaust :')

Anti-semitism and national socialism would have not grown this strong if it hadn't been for an entire generation being war and poverty stricken and badly educated. Lets not trivialise history. The Nazis had majority support in Germany. Are you trying to tell me that more than half of the German population of the 1930s (70 million at the time) deserved to be killed because the were supportive of the national socialist regime? Societal frictions have resulted in civil war / genocides countless times in history and it will happen again and again if we let ourselves be ignorant and violent instead of open-minded and communicative. 

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27 minutes ago, Justin Bieber said:

So we just let them be ignorant and racist? Nope, we need to defend ourselves. Do you think my mum acted wrong here?

8 hours ago, Justin Bieber said:

A nazi woman pissed at our house once. My mum saw that and took the garden hose and put in the direction of the nazi woman and she got so wet lmao. She got mad and yelled: "stupid kike". So you think that nazi woman is a victim and my mother an aggressor for defending herself? 

That has literally nothing to do with all of this. Our entire democracy is being threatened by the surge of nationalism in Europe, and this is what you're bothered about? A person pissing at your house? 

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1 minute ago, fab said:

Anti-semitism and national socialism would have not grown this strong if it hadn't been for an entire generation being war and poverty stricken and badly educated. Lets not trivialise history. The Nazis had majority support in Germany. Are you trying to tell me that more than half of the German population of the 1930s (70 million at the time) deserved to be killed because the were supportive of the national socialist regime? Societal frictions have resulted in civil war / genocides countless times in history and it will happen again and again if we let ourselves be ignorant and violent instead of open-minded and communicative. 

Anti-semitism was deeply rooted in the German society since the Middle Ages. We always been the scapegoat, so don't deny it. And being poor is not a reason to be anti-semitic. Actually kinda shocked you defend Nazis. I couldn't care less what happened to those who supported the Nazis. Who even said that I want to kill them? (For that matter I think every single Nazi politician and everyone included into the mass killing of Jews deserved death). 

So you actually mad at people defending themselves? What kind of Nazi apologist. 

Oh and do you think famous jewish resistance fighter Faye Schuhmann was evil because she defended herself against Germans and surely killed Germans as defense? If I lived back then I hella would join the resistance. The only good Nazi back then, was a dead one.

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4 minutes ago, fab said:

That has literally nothing to do with all of this. Our entire democracy is being threatened by the surge of nationalism in Europe, and this is what you're bothered about? A person pissing at your house? 

It was an antisemitic attack. Of course I'm bothered about that lol

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22 hours ago, Justin Bieber said:

Anti-semitism was deeply rooted in the German society since the Middle Ages. We always been the scapegoat, so don't deny it. And being poor is not a reason to be anti-semitic. Actually kinda shocked you defend Nazis. I couldn't care less what happened to those who supported the Nazis. Who even said that I want to kill them? (For that matter I think every single Nazi politician and everyone included into the mass killing of Jews deserved death). 

So you actually mad at people defending themselves? What kind of Nazi apologist. 

Oh and do you think famous jewish resistance fighter Faye Schuhmann was evil because she defended herself against Germans and surely killed Germans as defense? If I lived back then I hella would join the resistance. The only good Nazi back then, was a dead one.

Okay first off all: Stop the attitude and don't call me a Nazi apologist. I've also had great-grandparents be killed in concentration camps. I'm not trying to justify / defend / support national socialists - the fact that you're even trying to insinuate that is disgusting - I'm trying to understand the causes for how they could get so strong in order to prevent something like this from ever happening again in the future. We all have a responsibility to prevent this.  

And yes there will always be crazy people with crazy beliefs who are lost causes. Of course they deserve to be punished if they commit any kind of offence. But what's important is that we prevent their dangerous beliefs from spilling over to our everyday society. Being ignorant does the exact opposite. 

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18 minutes ago, fab said:

Okay first off all: Stop the attitude and don't you ever call me a Nazi apologist again. I've also had great-grandparents be killed in concentration camps. I'm not trying to justify / defend / support national socialists - the fact that you're even trying to insinuate that is disgusting - I'm trying to understand the causes for how they could get so strong in order to prevent something like this from ever happening again in the future. We all have a responsibility to prevent this.  

And yes there will always be crazy people with crazy beliefs who are lost causes. Of course they deserve to be punished if they commit any kind of offence. But what's important is that we prevent their dangerous beliefs from spilling over to our everyday society. Being ignorant does the exact opposite. 

Well I'm not the one thinking that you can talk with Nazis. :)  But good luck with that! I stay with my method to make life for them hard. 

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