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20 hours ago, ShutUpRae said:

Am i missing something?

Mariah was struggling here but she still sounds decent especially towards the end whereas christina is just growling in a hungry rage most of her performance dead4

let's see:

Mariah was pitchy throughout the entire thing. She was raising her larynx and struggling in mid-4th octave notes. Her low notes were all unsupported and airy. She was unable to access her falsetto in very easy pitches and cracked multiple times. She was unable to follow the original melodic line, and instead had to do it one octave below and yet she still struggled and failed. All her belts were forced, tense, no support, closed-throat, cracked, no resonance. Even those in the 4th octave were terrible. It was an absolute mess from start to finish. 

Xtina's lows were far better, most of them were actually supported. Her belts were clean, she didn't rasp at all, not even most of the upper ones. The only ones that were tense, forced and with closed-throat were those during the bridge and that final NY one. The rest were fine. She was never off-pitch and she never cracked. Btw, growling is not a vocal flaw. Go educate yourself. 

So, yeah you missed a lot. dead4 

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9 hours ago, Jjang said:

Mariah wishes 

 

Why would Mariah wish to be straining 90% of the time since debut era?. xtina has never had a technique equal to Mariah. Let alone better.

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7 hours ago, Selig said:

The delusion. rip2 

 

Mariah still is the better one at singing. Her technique still is better than xtina. Talking about forced notes, unsupported and lack of resonance, when that is xtina since her first recordings before the release of her first album. You are the one that said xtina is more impactful, lol. So of course you will try anything to dicredit Mariah's legacy.

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8 hours ago, Selig said:

let's see:

Mariah was pitchy throughout the entire thing. She was raising her larynx and struggling in mid-4th octave notes. Her low notes were all unsupported and airy. She was unable to access her falsetto in very easy pitches and cracked multiple times. She was unable to follow the original melodic line, and instead had to do it one octave below and yet she still struggled and failed. All her belts were all forced, tense, no support, closed-throat, cracked, no resonance. Even those in the 4th octave were terrible. It was an absolute mess from start to finish. 

Xtina's lows were far better, most of them were actually supported. Her belts were clean, she didn't rasp at all, not even most of the upper ones. The only ones that were tense, forced and with closed-throat were those during the bridge and that final NY one. The rest were fine. She was never off-pitch and she never cracked. Btw, growling is not a vocal flaw. Go educate yourself. 

So, yeah you missed a lot. dead4 

Yeah Mariah's current day performances are brit5 But I give her slack because she's literally ~27 years into her career since Vision of Love first debuted in 1990 compared to Xtina's ~18 years. Both are past their primes already as vocalists, lbr, but imo I'd say Xtina never really touched Mariah's peak as a vocalist. brit10 

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18 hours ago, ShutUpRae said:

It is to me when it's done repeatedly on top of some strained screams jj2 but anyway sis how does one get educated on "vocal flaws" which are mostly just a matter of opinion?

Well, your opinion matters to no one. And none of those belts were "strained screams". The only ones that were strained, but weren't screamed are those at the bridge and the final NY one. Most of her belts throughout the entire performance were clean and not screamed at all, so much for "repeatedly". dead4 

They are not a matter of opinion. Can you be more ignorant? dead2 There's a thing called Vocal Pedagogy, go look it up. There are tons of books about it. 

13 hours ago, light741 said:

Mariah still is the better one at singing. Her technique still is better than xtina. Talking about forced notes, unsupported and lack of resonance, when that is xtina since her first recordings before the release of her first album. You are the one that said xtina is more impactful, lol. So of course you will try anything to dicredit Mariah's legacy.

Except she's not. Currently Xtina is ahead of the cow. I mean, just look at the videos. rip3 Only a painfully deluded person would disagree, oh wait... nat1 

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

Yeah Mariah's current day performances are brit5 But I give her slack because she's literally ~27 years into her career since Vision of Love first debuted in 1990 compared to Xtina's ~18 years. Both are past their primes already as vocalists, lbr, but imo I'd say Xtina never really touched Mariah's peak as a vocalist. brit10 

Céline Dion is 35 years into her career and her vocals are still strong. So, why would we excuse the cow? nat1 

You're right about that, she didn't. But currently, Xtina is in a much better place vocally. 

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44 minutes ago, Selig said:

Well, your opinion matters to no one. And none of those belts were "strained screams". The only ones that were strained, but weren't screamed are those at the bridge and the final NY one. Most of her belts throughout the entire performance were clean and not screamed at all, so much for "repeatedly". dead4 

They are not a matter of opinion. Can you be more ignorant? dead2 There's a thing called Vocal Pedagogy, go look it up. There are tons of books about it. 

Except she's not. Currently Xtina is ahead of the cow. I mean, just look at the videos. rip3 Only a painfully deluded person would disagree, oh wait... nat1 

Céline Dion is 35 years into her career and her vocals are still strong. So, why would we excuse the cow? nat1 

You're right about that, she didn't. But currently, Xtina is in a much better place vocally. 

banshee is not in a better place vocally. And who are you calling deluded?. You are the troll saying banshee is more impactful. Where is the proof troll?. Banshee is only the best at shouting. Her technique is not on par with Mariah, let alone better. Mariah singing with nodules since she started a profesional singing career 32 years ago. When will bansheetina shoutlera be able to match what Mariah has done?. When will the local banshee do it?.

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9 minutes ago, light741 said:

banshee is not in a better place vocally. And who are you calling deluded?. You are the troll saying banshee is more impactful. Where is the proof troll?. Banshee is only the best at shouting. Her technique is not on par with Mariah, let alone better. Mariah singing with nodules since she started a profesional singing career 32 years ago. When will bansheetina shoutlera be able to match what Mariah has done?. When will the local banshee do it?.

I love seeing how riled up you get. kii1 All that effort, yet I can clock your ass and decimate you again with 2 videos. Love it! kii1  SEETHE! kii1 

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7 minutes ago, Selig said:

I love seeing how riled up you get. kii1 All that effort, yet I can clock your ass and decimate you again with 2 videos. Love it! kii1  SEETHE! kii1 

You didn't clock anybody troll. I love how riled up you get when Britney, Gaga or Mariah are mentioned.

That 2015 performance from banshee doesn't make her the one with better technique. Since you said look at the videos. Let's do that for banshee.

Oh my God banshee showing her suprior technique here.

 

 

And here.

 

And here.

 

Here too.

 

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3 minutes ago, light741 said:

You didn't close anybody troll. I love how riled up you get whn Britney, Gaga or Mariah are mentioned.

That 2015 performance from banshee doesn't make her the one with better technique. Since you said look at the videos. Let's do that for banshee.

Oh my God banshee showing her suprior technique here.

And here.

And here.

Here too.

Except I don't, I just love to toy with their stupid fans. kii1 I mean just look at you, I remember how you said you were NEVER going to involve in nasty stan wars and you were never going to be vile and yet here you are. kii1 Here are some more gifts from me, enjoy. kii1 

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8 minutes ago, Selig said:

Except I don't, I just love to toy with their stupid fans. kii1 I mean just look at you, I remember how you said you were NEVER going to involve in nasty stan wars and you were never going to be vile and yet here you are. kii1 Here are some more gifts from me, enjoy. kii1 

Why should i be at this point?. Not with a troll that has called Mariah all names and even try to come for her legacy.

 

Prime Mariah never sounded the mess level that xtina sounded in many of her debut era performances and pre debut era.

 

Here more videos to show xtina superior technique.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, light741 said:

Why should i be at this point?. Not with a troll that has called Mariah all names and even try to come for her legacy.

Prime Mariah never sounded the mess level that xtina sounded in many of her debut era performances and pre debut era.

Here more videos to show xtina superior technique.

I don't know, nor do I care. That's between you and your moral code. The point is that I make you fume so much to the point that you are willing to drop your moral code, and I love it! kii1 

Prime cow was better, yes. I have never argued against that, I'm stating that CURRENTLY Xtina is in a much better condition than the cow you worship and I proved it. Your videos from 20 years ago are irrelevant to the point I'm making. kii1 The cow ain't shit nowadays, even when she lip-synchs she ends up humiliating herself. kii1 

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1 hour ago, Selig said:

I don't know, nor do I care. That's between you and your moral code. The point is that I make you fume so much to the point that you are willing to drop your moral code, and I love it! kii1 

Prime cow was better, yes. I have never argued against that, I'm stating that CURRENTLY Xtina is in a much better condition than the cow you worship and I proved it. Your videos from 20 years ago are irrelevant to the point I'm making. kii1 The cow ain't shit nowadays, even when she lip-synchs she ends up humiliating herself. kii1 

I dropped to your moral code. That's what you are saying. The moment you said banshee has more impact in singing. LOL.

 

Cows are worshiped in India. They are beautiful creatures. Banshees on the other hand....................................

 

You proved nothing. Mariah has better vocals this decade than banshee. And videos about banshee's shitty technique have been posted.

Mariah started in 1985 as a back up singer. 32 years singing with nodules she has had since childhood.

 

20 years ago?. Here Mariah slaying banshee 14 years ago.

 

 

2005.

 

 

 

Here Mariah, after 24 years of singing with her nodules. Producing more resonance than banshee. 0:49.

 

 

2012.

 

 

2013. 1:32-2:30. 2:38. Doesn't sound like somebody with no voice.

 

2:38-3:01. Doesn't sound like somebody that can't sing anymore. She is using head voice. Also belting, whispering in this video.

 

 

What about 2014?. Yes she can still sing in 2014.

 

 

 

By the way, where is the proof that banshee has the bigger singing legacy?. When are you going to explain that?.

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20 hours ago, Vesper said:

Yeah Mariah's current day performances are brit5 But I give her slack because she's literally ~27 years into her career since Vision of Love first debuted in 1990 compared to Xtina's ~18 years. Both are past their primes already as vocalists, lbr, but imo I'd say Xtina never really touched Mariah's peak as a vocalist. brit10 

Mariah started having her amateur sounding moments early on just like Christina though bey5 

This was 7 years into her career

 

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30 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Mariah started having her amateur sounding moments early on just like Christina though bey5 

This was 7 years into her career

 

Mariah started her profesional singing career in 1985. So your video posted is after 13 years of singing with nodules.

Since you are at it, why don't you post some of the performances of Music Box tour where she was sick?. I don't know what you are trying to prove here.  Mariah has had on and off days in her career like ANY other artist. And she has been singing with nodules all her career, she has them since childhood. So her voice has always been more delicated than others. In the singing history book Mariah>>>>xtina. And that's the way it'll always be.

This was xtina's singing before debut album.

 

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And in her debut era she had a good amount of this.

 

    

 

 

xtina has never been on par with Mariah in the first place. And i don't remember saying Mariah is perfect. But if you think she has had the same amount of flaws that xtina has shown in her career. Then.....................

 

 

 

From 1997 we also had performances like this.

 

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, light741 said:

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Why do you think I want to have this disucssion though? why do you keep circling back to this lame Mariah is a technique specialist while Christina is an amateur!! conversation when the points I'm bringing up do not warrant it? awk1 I posted the video to show that both Mariah and Christina display vocal flaws that would not be accepted in the real world of showbiz (imagine those vocals on Broadway for example, literally unacceptable) and that the only thing that saves them is that they exist in a very forgiving Pop music landscape where it's less about technique (because, let me repeat, non - commercialized elite vocalists trump all pop stars) and more about the personality of your vocals. I never said that Christina has a bigger legacy, nor did I say she has a better technique.I do think Christina's New York, New York performance beats everything Mariah did post 2015, and if you try pulling one of your "impressive" current Mariah vocals videos (yes, including that hilarious bathroom one) I'll just link you to our previous good old 25 paged discussion about it ;)

Me and @Earth Ripper are constantly telling you this but you keep hiding back behind your irrelevant technique arguments, Christina and Mariah are vocal legends due to the public reception of their vocals, both are viewed as one of all time vocal powerhouses in Popular music, that's a fact that your argument(s) don't tackle. Do you really think someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about these Pop divas would view them as one of the all time best? dead1 The top 100 would probably contain 100 artists that you don't even know of. Anyway, point of the matter is that Mariah having a better technique in her prime is not an argument that tackles the popular sentiment that Christina's a vocal legend, when will you ever learn that?

Your argument is also self destructive, I mean, tons of vocal legends are fatally flawed, why don't you come for them? bey5 Oh, only Christina is bashed for trading technicality for vocal aesthetics, kay, totally not biased.

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6 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Why do you think I want to have this disucssion though? why do you keep circling back to this lame Mariah is a technique specialist while Christina is an amateur!! conversation when the points I'm bringing up do not warrant it? awk1 I posted the video to show that both Mariah and Christina display vocal flaws that would not be accepted in the real world of showbiz (imagine those vocals on Broadway for example, literally unacceptable) and that the only thing that saves them is that they exist in a very forgiving Pop music landscape where it's less about technique (because, let me repeat, non - commercialized elite vocalists trump all pop stars) and more about the personality of your vocals. I never said that Christina has a bigger legacy, nor did I say she has a better technique.I do think Christina's New York, New York performance beats everything Mariah did post 2015, and if you try pulling one of your "impressive" current Mariah vocals videos (yes, including that hilarious bathroom one) I'll just link you to our previous good old 25 paged discussion about it ;)

Me and @Earth Ripper are constantly telling you this but you keep hiding back behind your irrelevant technique arguments, Christina and Mariah are vocal legends due to the public reception of their vocals, both are viewed as one of all time vocal powerhouses in Popular music, that's a fact that your argument(s) don't tackle. Do you really think someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about these Pop divas would view them as one of the all time best? dead1 The top 100 would probably contain 100 artists that you don't even know of. Anyway, point of the matter is that Mariah having a better technique in her prime is not an argument that tackles the popular sentiment that Christina's a vocal legend, when will you ever learn that?

What makes you think Mariah doesn't have a technique good enough for broadway?. And if flaws are not accepted in showbiz, then Whitney is not a worthy vocalist either. Since she also had flaws. I never called Mariah perfect. I said xtina has more flaws. And saying xtina has a bigger legacy like the other one said is a big fat lie. And Mariah STILL has a better tchnique than xtina.

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17 minutes ago, light741 said:

What makes you think Mariah doesn't have a technique good enough for broadway?

Literally the answer is in the post you quoted 

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Mariah and Christina display vocal flaws that would not be accepted in the real world of showbiz

Meaning someone that fucks up as frequently as they do does not belong on Broadway, period. And yes, in the world of vocal elites even Whitney falls short, as she's not a saint either when it comes to fatal vocal flaws lol. 

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I never called Mariah perfect. I said xtina has more flaws. And saying xtina has a bigger legacy like the other one said is a big fat lie. And Mariah STILL has a better tchnique than xtina.

How is this relevant to the topic of Christina being a vocal legend though? 

David Bowie - Vocal Legend

Bob Dyland - Vocal Legend

Bob Marley - Vocal Legend

Freddie Mercury - Vocal Legend 

They're x156 more flawed than both Christina and Mariah, are they suddenly not vocal legends? bey5

 

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