what if Lady Gaga and Katy Perry never happened ??

[Luca 54,972]

I KNOW A PLACE

WHERE THE GRASS IS REALLY GREENER!  

[Mariah's 19 #1s 1,281]

1 hour ago, Bubble said:

Tea minus demi, she's not ugly nor has she "made it"

She's ugly and managed to get a few top 10's 

[M3L155AX 637]

22 hours ago, Spencer Pratt said:

She's ugly and managed to get a few top 10's 

she only has 1  and its from a fucking disney movie 

[Mariah's 19 #1s 1,281]

1 minute ago, DREAMPOP said:

she only has 1  and its from a fucking disney movie 

Omg i thought CFTS went top 10 as well? Damn Selena really ended her 

[Luca 54,972]

1 minute ago, Spencer Pratt said:

Omg i thought CFTS went top 10 as well? Damn Selena really ended her 

Demi is honestly a non-event, her ballads are cute but that's about it for her.  

[M3L155AX 637]

Just now, Luca. said:

Demi is honestly a non-event, her ballads are cute but that's about it for her.  

im still a demi first , selena second kind of gal  . katy first , gaga second kind of gal too. you know why ?? because talent comes first 

[WarrenThanksYouAll 15,920]

On 5.4.2017 at 4:02 AM, Bionic Monster said:

 

 

I don't care about the other nitpicky stuff, when it comes down to it Gaga can manage to STAY on key live and Katy simply can't.

But these both sound utterly unimpressive 

Like okay, she has better vocal - body movement coordination than Katy but she still sucks, am I supposed to praise her for that? Compare her to performers like Beyoncé, P!nk and even Christina in her prime and she'd look like an amateur. She was completely off pitch and key during Telephone and Just Dance (and she was not even dancing during that song).

The difference is that Katy (at least 90% of the time) is conscious of her lack of skill so she emphasizes on her charisma & enthusiasm on stage which leads to a more enjoyable pop performance to watch. Gaga, on the other hand, doesn't display her strengths as a performer on stage and just tries to sing her vocally boring songs while doing her boring choreographies which leads to a less enjoyable pop performance. 

Take this performance for example : what's the point even attempting this when you know sound awful and dance even worse? Like cool, she sings live, but she sucks, she's trying to dance hard, but she looks like a moron...are we supposed to praise her for that? This is an ongoing scenario with most of her Pop performances.

 

To furthermore illustrate what I said :

 

 

Katy's performance is designed in a manner that amplifies her stage presence and star power, meanwhile Gaga looks completely zoned out, lazy less of a star than her dancers (don't act like that's not true lmao) even though they're both displaying the same level of skillset. It's all about presentation.

On 5.4.2017 at 4:02 AM, Bionic Monster said:

Out of her hits alone, Born This Way, The Edge of Glory, You and I, Do What U Want, Perfect Illusion, and Million Reasons (not to mention the song you yourself posted, Joanne) all have aspects of subtlety and variety.

All are easy sing along pop songs, there's nothing vocally challenging about them, maybe the Edge of Glory and You & I but when does she ever perform those while dancing hardcore? (remember, that's what ironically makes her special), Not agreeing that MR and Joanne rely on vocal detail, but again, when does she perform those while dancing hard?  Do What U Want is slightly challenging to perform live but most of the time she manages to fuck it up anyway (SNL, The Voice, Graham Norton) at the AMA's she wasn't able to execute the pre chorus vocals (the ones that actually require vocal detail and delicacy), she just breathed on top of them and growled when she could  And since you brought up Perfect Illusion (again, when does she ever sing that song while dancing), I'll use this edited (yes, they edited the last minute 'cause she fucked up too hard and wanted to perform it again, facts) performance to counter your Rise performance 

 

100% off 

On 5.4.2017 at 4:02 AM, Bionic Monster said:

Gaga's SOM tribute was acclaimed by pretty much everyone, she was completely connected to what she was singing and it really wasn't semi-operatic, she was just trying to emulate Julie Anyway it doesn't matter what you think about it because that is an extremely recognizable and respected performance in Gaga's career, Katy doesn't even have ONE iconic performance. Gaga at least has 2009 Paparazzi at the VMAs

Ironically, it was acclaimed because it came from the pop star who once had her period on stage in 2009  It's just that "omg that crazy pop star can actually sing!" effect she had on people, you don't see Nicole Scherzinger getting wide recognition for her far more vocally impressive performances, purely because she doesn't have a counter image and hence create something worthy of a discussion.

Like I said, it's a bad performance for Broadway standards, I won't just cut her some slack because she just happens to be a lame pop star and highly critically acclaimed Broadway composer Stephen Sondheim agrees with me  

[Earth Ripper 4,994]

On 5/4/2017 at 3:02 AM, Bionic Monster said:

Katy doesn't even have ONE iconic performance. Gaga at least has 2009 Paparazzi at the VMAs

How is that an iconic performance? Her fans aren't even talking about it anymore This meme is literally more iconic than that performance:

Anyway, if we didn't have Gaga/Katy their labels would've found two other girls to be the next big pop stars Neither Gaga nor Katy broke any mould, they were manufactured as public presences as a response to what was happening in the music industry (without them) That's very different from people like Madonna who changed the game without a strategic blueprint already rolled out in front of them. Katy and Gaga are more like the Kardashians in the sense that their success was calculated based on what already worked in the past, inserted into an unfamiliar present, so they can look like game changers even though they really didn't do anything no one else could've done (or have already done) in their place, purely due to the magnititude of their fame level  

[Freaky Prince 38,421]

11 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

That's very different from people like Madonna who changed the game without a strategic blueprint already rolled out in front of them.

Madonna was just lucky enough to be born in the 50s and to be the first huge female pop star. 

Same would've happened with either Gaga or Katy, it's just that they were born in the 80s, so it was already too late for them.

[Earth Ripper 4,994]

38 minutes ago, Freaky Prince said:

Madonna was just lucky enough to be born in the 50s

She was lucky to be born in a period where there was no precedent for her to build upon? Where women weren't supposed to oversee their own careers? Where women in public weren't supposed to be outspoken or dominant? How was she lucky to enter the game in that environment, having to face tidal waves of rejection and public bashing? How could it have been luck that made her succeed, with that ongoing rejection and public bashing, in breaking down barrier upon barrier for women in the music industry, having the most successful career among women in pop music for over thirty years? If anyone could've done it, why couldn't some other female have done it and become known for it before her?

38 minutes ago, Freaky Prince said:

and to be the first huge female pop star. 

Again, the fact that you're implying you can even become that by pure luck is hilarious If anything, that works against you. If Madonna's legacy was created out of pure luck, then how could Gaga's pathetic attempt at derivative stardom be anything more than a similar accident that deserves not an ounce of praise towards talent, dedication, work ethic, vision,..?

38 minutes ago, Freaky Prince said:

Same would've happened with either Gaga or Katy, it's just that they were born in the 80s, so it was already too late for them.

How though? They can't even be original in 2017, why would you think they'd be original in the 80s? You're acting like they would've blown up in the 80s by just being who they are now, when they both acknowledged Madonna's direct influence on their artistry itself So no, if Madonna hadn't done it before them, there wouldn't even be a Gaga/Katy. As Gaga herself said: "the last revolution in pop music was started by Madonna" You can't be both derivative (of Madonna) and innovative when your act is projected back onto the (pre-Madonna) past. That's literally impossible. And it just proves how important Madonna as a singular person in time and space has been to allow other people to enjoy similar success. If Madonna was lucky to blow up in the 80s, then all of the pop chicks that came after her were 1000x more lucky that Madonna was lucky

[Bionic Monster 5,020]

1 hour ago, Earth Ripper said:

How is that an iconic performance? Her fans aren't even talking about it anymore This meme is literally more iconic than that performance:

 

if that helps you sleep at night ill go along with it

[Earth Ripper 4,994]

18 minutes ago, Bionic Monster said:

if that helps you sleep at night ill go along with it

It doesn't help me sleep at night, why would it Piss poor argument, not that it even deserves that word. Just don't reply then in the future.

Gaga has plenty of iconic events in her career, that performance just isn't one of them imo, simple as that, that's all I wanted to say, I thought it was weird you brought it up, esp. just to make someone else (Katy) look bad None of them have iconic performances, that's the truth, I'm sorry to have to break it to you. Their iconic moments are in single releases, music video's, and costumes, never in performances

[Vesper 5,443]

On 4/4/2017 at 1:56 PM, Spencer Pratt said:

I think Gaga made it OK for ugly/plain Jane/big nosed type people to make it in the industry. Katy is beautiful and Gaga breaks the mold, what with her horse teeth, nose, weird complexion, weird body shape etc. etc. so that people like Adele could have had huge successes with 21 because (and in no way am i saying Adele is as ugly as Gaga, she is not, it's just her weight, she has a very pretty and symmetrical face unlike Gaga) Gaga made it okay for none beautiful people to make it big. 

 

Examples: Halsey, Lorde, Jessie J, Sia, Demi Lovato, 

 Sis I can't even at this post. 

[Bionic Monster 5,020]

1 hour ago, Earth Ripper said:

It doesn't help me sleep at night, why would it Piss poor argument, not that it even deserves that word. Just don't reply then in the future.

Gaga has plenty of iconic events in her career, that performance just isn't one of them imo, simple as that, that's all I wanted to say, I thought it was weird you brought it up, esp. just to make someone else (Katy) look bad None of them have iconic performances, that's the truth, I'm sorry to have to break it to you. Their iconic moments are in single releases, music video's, and costumes, never in performances

How about you don't quote me if you don't want me to reply

 

The bleeding heart performance is iconic, Madonna's fans don't talk about the 1984 vmas performance anymore but that doesn't mean it's not iconic.

[Earth Ripper 4,994]

13 hours ago, Bionic Monster said:

How about you don't quote me if you don't want me to reply

I want you to reply, just not with empty bs like "if that's what makes you sleep at night"

13 hours ago, Bionic Monster said:

The bleeding heart performance is iconic, Madonna's fans don't talk about the 1984 vmas performance anymore but that doesn't mean it's not iconic.

Not a bad argument I just still think that it wouldn't come to mind quickly when her name is brought up, which for me is necessary to deem something iconic. The perfect example is Madonna and the cone bra, which almost simultaneously pop up in your consciousness

But I did some checking, and the Paparazzi performance is in fact included in a lot of impressive lists of best all-round and/or VMA performances of all time, so I guess it is a lot more well known than I initially thought But still, I don't think it deserves the word iconic. If that's iconic, then Katy's Superbowl performance should be iconic too, and who the fuck would say that?

[Kuba 14,372]

On 4/9/2017 at 2:24 AM, Jjang said:

But these both sound utterly unimpressive 

Like okay, she has better vocal - body movement coordination than Katy but she still sucks, am I supposed to praise her for that? Compare her to performers like Beyoncé, P!nk and even Christina in her prime and she'd look like an amateur. She was completely off pitch and key during Telephone and Just Dance (and she was not even dancing during that song).

The difference is that Katy (at least 90% of the time) is conscious of her lack of skill so she emphasizes on her charisma & enthusiasm on stage which leads to a more enjoyable pop performance to watch. Gaga, on the other hand, doesn't display her strengths as a performer on stage and just tries to sing her vocally boring songs while doing her boring choreographies which leads to a less enjoyable pop performance. 

Take this performance for example : what's the point even attempting this when you know sound awful and dance even worse? Like cool, she sings live, but she sucks, she's trying to dance hard, but she looks like a moron...are we supposed to praise her for that? This is an ongoing scenario with most of her Pop performances.

 

To furthermore illustrate what I said :

 

 

Katy's performance is designed in a manner that amplifies her stage presence and star power, meanwhile Gaga looks completely zoned out, lazy less of a star than her dancers (don't act like that's not true lmao) even though they're both displaying the same level of skillset. It's all about presentation.

All are easy sing along pop songs, there's nothing vocally challenging about them, maybe the Edge of Glory and You & I but when does she ever perform those while dancing hardcore? (remember, that's what ironically makes her special), Not agreeing that MR and Joanne rely on vocal detail, but again, when does she perform those while dancing hard?  Do What U Want is slightly challenging to perform live but most of the time she manages to fuck it up anyway (SNL, The Voice, Graham Norton) at the AMA's she wasn't able to execute the pre chorus vocals (the ones that actually require vocal detail and delicacy), she just breathed on top of them and growled when she could  And since you brought up Perfect Illusion (again, when does she ever sing that song while dancing), I'll use this edited (yes, they edited the last minute 'cause she fucked up too hard and wanted to perform it again, facts) performance to counter your Rise performance 

 

100% off 

Ironically, it was acclaimed because it came from the pop star who once had her period on stage in 2009  It's just that "omg that crazy pop star can actually sing!" effect she had on people, you don't see Nicole Scherzinger getting wide recognition for her far more vocally impressive performances, purely because she doesn't have a counter image and hence create something worthy of a discussion.

Like I said, it's a bad performance for Broadway standards, I won't just cut her some slack because she just happens to be a lame pop star and highly critically acclaimed Broadway composer Stephen Sondheim agrees with me  

I love it when monsters come for Katy's performances. Everyone and their mother accepts the fact that Katy has very little vocal ability, I mean.. she even accepts it herself! Her energy on stage radiates and makes you wanna sing along. Gaga looks tired in most of her performances, and belting random notes doesn't equal vocal talent as many monsters claim 

[M3L155AX 637]

10 minutes ago, Kuba said:

I love it when monsters come for Katy's performances. Everyone and their mother accepts the fact that Katy has very little vocal ability, I mean.. she even accepts it herself! Her energy on stage radiates and makes you wanna sing along. Gaga looks tired in most of her performances, and belting random notes doesn't equal vocal talent as many monsters claim 

katy likes to entertain and have fun on stage thats why i like her tours !! 

[liketotallybran 134]

kesha's debut a year later would've been that much bigger I suppose 

 

[Vertigo-go 18,832]

What bliss

 

[Ciggy Socialist 8,793]

Well Kesha is here so... I guess... yay?