"I'd rather kill myself" is not the only diss jealous madonna threw at Mariah

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^lol, you stans could find all the lame excuses for your fave and I understand your need to write essays to defend. Let the newbies who haven't read those interviews decide.

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3 hours ago, Ursula said:

That NME interview came before the Spin interview.

She was definitely pressed. I mean imagine people like Janet and Whitney shading you out of nowhere and joining the hate bandwagon during the Erotica era. She really fucking hated the US at that time and she was very very defensive. That NME interview is like 10 pages long and it shows how fucking heartbroken she was at that time.

Oh and she didn't lie, really. Mariah's and Whitney's music really lacks substance and depth. It's rather shallow and easy to digest. Madonna felt that you have to be a passive and submissive woman with no point of view or no political agenda to be successful in the US and she's right. I don't think she should have said the way she did about Mariah, though. Still, I can't blame her much considering that almost every popular female artist shaded her in a similar way a year before.

Fucking bye. Moo and whit themes deal with love and emotions from a romantic grown perspective, tommy made sure mariah cater to the adult contemporary audience, her material had to have substance and depth for it to sell, so you know your claim is bullshit. Whit was already on the adult complementary train since her debut album.

kevin, fall back.

Honestly not every artists has to be political, who the fuck made it a rule? madonna's whole brand is about shock value and pushing ppl's buttons, which, at times, is cool, BUT not every artists SHOULD be like that, sometimes you want a nice song which makes you escape from the real world/politics. 

Artists getting political is unnecessary.  

COMPARED TO THEM, madonna lacked strong vocals, in the 90's it was all about adult contemporary/ Divas with big voices, it was a no brainer mariah and whitney will survive in the new environment, they are in their element, and madonna will have to either roll with the punches or to fall behind, that's why in the 90's madonna got more softer and starting singing ballads.

in those pits of interviews madonna sounded frustrated out of her mind due to the fact it came effortlessly to them while she had to do everything just to be noticed, that's all; she had to show her whole body, speak her mind loudly, get hate from everyone for doing so and here come mariah and whitney doing better than her based only on their voices, i feel her, but she sounded bitter and frustrated "someone like mariah", her point ( female artists should have POV) is not right at all, rather tragic, and using it as an excuse to drag mariah and whitney is even more tragic.

Madonna started the beef with mariah, not the other way around, mariah was a newbie and madonna gave her a piece of her mind, as for whitney, she knew not to mess with whitney.  

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poor Madonna. She thought her avant garde sex book and cheap jazz lounge sound would change the world, but the public said no and moved on and let other, talented singers rise in the 90's 

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I feel the same way.  

People acting like Madonna is a bitch, while Moo is a nice girl. Moo is a stupid fat cow that can't stop being a diva, she is jealous and has shaded many artists in her career. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, /\quarius said:

Madonnna was going through a Witness sized depression through the 90s, poor ha
 

Critically acclaimed music, WW hit songs, artistic videos, being creative and daring, influential tours and other works... Poor ha indeed.  

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3 hours ago, HninSi said:

Irony is that she got her limelight with bubblegum pop hits which she didn't even write (LAV, Material girl hello), rolled herself on stage to get attention and yet she had the nerve to diss people like Mariah and Whitney who made it big on their raw talents.

Whitney never wrote any of her singles tho, even her biggest song IWALY is a cover of Dolly Patton. Mariah and Whitney were always famous for their voices but their music always lacked substance regardless of who wrote it. Their images, their interviews, their whole careers were strictly controlled especially mariah.

Madonna talents may not be on her voice but her talents as a performer and an artist eclipse the others.

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Did Madge lie? 

7 hours ago, Melt Away said:

Wow, is this actually real?

This sounds like plain old jealousy to me, which is understandable coming from Madge in the 90s. 

Degrading other artists just because their work isn't politically challenging just makes her look like an absolutely pretentious narcissistic ass. This is really low for her.

inb4 I get downvoted by medonsters because I had a point of view, though!  

 

I love how much of an hypocrite you are. You are acting like Madonna's words are so offensive yet you turned a blind eye to what Whitney said, which is way, way worse. Whenever Mariah shades another person, you all celebrate her for it. Whenever she acts stupid with her diva antics you applaud and justify her. So get off your high-horse. And you're talking about down-voting when that's all you do when we discuss your fave? kii, like I said, the hypocrisy is just too much.   And why am I not surprised that it is the exact same 4 users in here trying to trash Madonna AGAIN? poor fads and goats, they just cannot win. 

 

 

 

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Obviously there were insults incorporated into some of those quotes but each of the larger points she made was valid, so whatever.

I don't have anything against Mariah or Whitney, but in the 90s they were absolutely vanilla compared to Madonna. All she was saying is that the GP prefers vanilla, but she didn't need to suggest that there was something "wrong" with people who didn't use their celebrity in a provocative way. At the same time, both Mariah and Whitney are as arrogant as Madonna, albeit in different ways and/or for different reasons, so painting any of the three of them as victims with these and other quotes (of Mariah's or Whitney's) is amateurish and ridiculous.


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1 hour ago, Red said:

poor Madonna Gaga. She though her avant garde sex book and cheap jazz lounge sound would change the world, but the public said no and moved on and let other, talented singers rise in the 90's 

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it's a bit hypocritical of madge considering she also started out very vanilla.

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9 hours ago, ICONICK said:

Did she lie tho?

A Byonce fan saying this?.

 

 

Since Whitney and Mariah inspired her, i think Beyonce doesn't agree with the notion that Whitney and Mariah don't have a point of view.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, light741 said:

A Byonce fan saying this?.

Since Whitney and Mariah inspired her, i think Beyonce doesn't agree with the notion that Whitney and Mariah don't have a point of view.

 

 

Is this your response to everything? "A [insert any random act the other user stans] saying this?" Can't you address the topic at hand without bringing other acts that are irrelevant to the discussion into it? Beyoncé was inspired by their vocals, just vocals; as she has stated many times before. But if you don't mind me asking, what exactly has been Mariah's or Whitney's point of view as artists?  

Oh, and this is coming from a huge Whitlegend supporter. *In, before you bring Xtina into this.*

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1 minute ago, havok said:

Is this your response to everything? "A [insert any random act the other user stans] saying this?" Can't you address the topic at hand without bringing other acts that are irrelevant to the discussion into it? Beyoncé was inspired by their vocals, just vocals; as she has stated many times before. But if you don't mind me asking, what exactly has been Mariah's or Whitney's point of view as artists?  

Oh, and this is coming from a huge Whitlegend supporter. *In, before you bring Xtina into this.*

Stop making up pathetic excuses because we know how you feel about Mariah. Singing is a form of art. And Whitney and Mariah expressed themselves through that. Whitney and Mariah were involved in the music as well. So don't try to tell me they were some puppets that didn't know what they were doing. And their music certainly has a message. I wasn't going to mention xtina. But i bet you think she has a point of view in her music(which she has) but not Whitney and Mariah.

 

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6 hours ago, #Music said:

Ok but where are the lies though

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Whitney and Mariah do have a point of view. Funny how the madonna stans think she is allowed to shade others. But God forbid to see others shading Madonna. Leave all your excuses in your house. And lol at you saying that because she is Madonna and outsold all women, she can act like this. Lol at you acting like there is only one way to make music, to present yourself. What kind of new level of arrogance?.      

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37 minutes ago, ShutUpRae said:

it's a bit hypocritical of madge considering she also started out very vanilla.

lol, It's only vanilla in the eyes of 2017 kids, back in the early 80's everything she did caused controversy.

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10 minutes ago, light741 said:

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Whitney and Mariah do have a point of view. Funny how the madonna stans think she is allowed to shade others. But God forbid to see others shading Madonna. Leave all your excuses in your house. And lol at you saying that because she is Madonna and outsold all women, she can act like this. Lol at you acting like there is only one way to make music, to present yourself. What kind of new level of arrogance?.      

To quote my original post, which you downvoted :

That however has nothing to do with A) Mariah's talent, B) The quality of Mariah's work and C) The fact that this is how she chooses to present herself.

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11 minutes ago, light741 said:

Stop making up pathetic excuses because we know how you feel about Mariah. Singing is a form of art. And Whitney and Mariah expressed themselves through that. Whitney and Mariah were involved in the music as well. So don't try to tell me they were some puppets that didn't know what they were doing. And their music certainly has a message. I wasn't going to mention xtina. But i bet you think she has a point of view in her music(which she has) but not Whitney and Mariah.

We're talking about points of view here. In that sense, their singing just makes them interpreters. What is the thought-provoking message they want to communicate throughout their singing? Please, explain that to me. If they have one, then you shouldn't have problem exposing it. Both of these ladies focused on vocals, not on provoking thoughts on their audience. I didn't call them puppets, but they weren't thought-provoking artists, that's the point. 

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2 hours ago, ICONICK said:

Whitney never wrote any of her singles tho, even her biggest song IWALY is a cover of Dolly Patton. Mariah and Whitney were always famous for their voices but their music always lacked substance regardless of who wrote it. Their images, their interviews, their whole careers were strictly controlled especially mariah.

Madonna talents may not be on her voice but her talents as a performer and an artist eclipse the others.

Singing is a form of artistic expression. Whitney did write some of her songs. And was involved as a producer in a lot of her music. Mariah has writen and produced a lot of her music. Plus she has been in full control of her career for 21 years. And saying that their music had no substance is a lie.

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7 minutes ago, havok said:

We're talking about points of view here. In that sense, their singing just makes them interpreters. What is the thought-provoking message they want to communicate throughout their singing? Please, explain that to me. If they have one, then you shouldn't have problem exposing it. Both of these ladies focused on vocals, not on provoking thoughts on their audience. I didn't call them puppets, but they weren't thought-provoking artists, that's the point. 

I would think you knew that about Whitney, since she is one of your faves.

What about a song like Miracle from Whitney for example?. There is a very delicated subject in that song. Go and listen to it. I shouldn't have to name you Whitney songs with a message. You are supposed to know her catalogue.

 

As for Mariah. Through The Rain, Outside, Close My eyes, The Wind, Can't Take That Away, I Wish You Well, There's Got To Be A Way, etc all have messages. Why don't you actually listen to them before passing judgments?. 

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8 minutes ago, light741 said:

I would think you knew that about Whitney, since she is one of your faves.

What about a song like Miracle from Whitney for example?. There is a very delicated subject in that song. Go and listen to it I shouldn't have to name you Whitney songs with a message. You are supposed to know her catalogue.

As for Mariah. Through The Rain, Outside, Close My eyes, The Wind, Can't Take That Away, I Wish You Well, There's Got To Be A Way, etc all have messages. Why don't you actually listen to them before passing judgments?. 

No one is talking about their songs, all songs have a message. If we go with that, then any recording artist is a thought-provoking artists, even Pitbull or PSY. I am asking you; what makes them as acts, thought-provking? Can you or can you not answer that simple question? I adore Whitney, but I'm not delusional enough to claim that she was a thought-provoking artist. She was not that kind of artist, and judging by her comments on those who were, she wasn't interested in being one at all, which is fine. May I ask how old are you?