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Sharon Osbourne says Kim Kardashian isn't a feminist

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18 minutes ago, QUINN said:

Let's not completely discredit her, here. Sharon Osbourne is the creator of Ozzfest - one of the biggest rock festivals in the world. She also manages a LOT of artists in the rock scene.

 

shes a mess, but she's a savvy business woman.

i didnt know she created ozzfest jj3 

but i did know about ozzy/the rock scene tho jj3 

20 minutes ago, Vertigo-go said:

Yeah but what does she have to do with music jj4

Dannii and Cheryl may be irrelevant (and cheaper), but they're singers. Sharon couldn't judge singing talents, and her daughter is on Fashion Police dragging women with that viper Joan Rivers (well rip I guess but she's an asshole). Feminist af cry7

 

ever heard of Ozzy jj1 

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Just now, Chris Morlock said:

jj1 

We are talking about her input into music and artistry to be able to judge singing talent moo4

I think she's not capable, so are the rest of the team minus whichever has-been singer they use moo4

 

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1 minute ago, Vertigo-go said:

We are talking about her input into music and artistry to be able to judge singing talent moo4

I think she's not capable, so are the rest of the team minus whichever has-been singer they use moo4

 

saying that is like saying nobody should judge jj1 

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20 minutes ago, CalixSpurius said:

Sharon has a point. 

Whole act of Kim Kardashian is based on using un-feminist social norms for her favour by presenting herself as an object of sex appeal, IT girl. Kim Kardashian would be a hairdresser in a society where there is no different expectation on women than men. 

We talk like everyone should embrace feminism and equality of sexes but the truth is social norms evolve naturally for pragmatic reasons that are above human idealism, there are still lots of women who live favorable lives because there is no equality of sexes. 

But then what's the structural difference between what Kim does and Sharon putting on make-up and wearing sexy, youthful clothing etc.? If you're going to attack Kim for what she does, you'll have to attack a lot of other women too nat2 Where's the line?

The idealism bit is interesting though and I don't disagree there. A lot of women I know use the inequality between the sexes for their own advantage while fighting for equality, in theory wendy1 The hard truth of the matter, imo, is that the feminist ideology is usually mostly a pose to appear a certain way rather than something people actually feel strongly about. I know too many self-proclaimed feminists who get instantly bored when considering the more complicated and theoretical aspects of feminist theory dead7

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2 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

But then what's the structural difference between what Kim does and Sharon putting on make-up and wearing sexy, youthful clothing etc.? If you're going to attack Kim for what she does, you'll have to attack a lot of other women too nat2 Where's the line?

That I can't tell because I don't know enough about Sharon. 

2 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said:

The idealism bit is interesting though and I don't disagree there. A lot of women I know use the inequality between the sexes for their own advantage while fighting for equality, in theory wendy1 The hard truth of the matter, imo, is that the feminist ideology is usually mostly a pose to appear a certain way rather than something people actually feel strongly about. I know too many self-proclaimed feminists who get instantly bored when considering the more complicated and theoretical aspects of feminist theory dead7

Agreed.

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38 minutes ago, Chris Morlock said:

i didnt know she created ozzfest jj3 

but i did know about ozzy/the rock scene tho jj3 

ever heard of Ozzy jj1 

She created it after Lollapalooza declined to put Ozzy on the lineup one year, citing that he was "uncool." But in reality they turned him down because he was too drugged up and they couldn't rely on him to headline. So Sharon was like "lol fuck this, I'm starting my own festival"

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26 minutes ago, QUINN said:

She created it after Lollapalooza declined to put Ozzy on the lineup one year, citing that he was "uncool." But in reality they turned him down because he was too drugged up and they couldn't rely on him to headline. So Sharon was like "lol fuck this, I'm starting my own festival"

lmfao1 

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I fucking hate this mentality that as soon as a woman is open with her sexuality she's a hoe. Men are open with their sexualities all the time and no one gives a fuck.

This is one of the biggest double standards in modern society. I guess we could call it slut-shaming.

When a man, let's say, does a sexy photoshoot, it's seen as just another thing he does. It doesn't make him "less of a person", if anything it just makes him all the more appealing and versatile. But at the end of the day, doesn't really change people's opinion of him.

If a woman does a sexy shoot it's "scandalous". It's suddenly a topic of conversation, with people either celebrating it, or saying that it's shameful, and sad that she has to "resort to this". Sex is usually something positive for men, but for women it's scrutinized over and over to determine whether she had a enough good reason to do it. She has to justify it. And if she doesn't, she's a hoe.

My point is, for a man, being sexy is just part of who they are, but for women it defines their entire persona. And that is misogyny.

 

So yeah, Sharon is basically being a female misogynist here.

 

Also, if we're following this "hoes can't be feminists" bullshit, then we are also excluding female sex workers, who are some of the most exploited and discriminated against groups of women.

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3 hours ago, QUINN said:

It's not feminism to brand women as feminists in the first place. Feminism is a form of action, not a title, and thinking that literally every single thing a person does will have to pass the 'Feminist' test in order to "make them a feminist" is damaging and is a huge reason why there is still such a stigma around it.

That being said, the sex positivity and the HYPER control that the kardashians have over their images and the way they use their bodies has a ripple effect. Sure they may be over the top, but regardless of HOW they present themselves, the dominating factor of their power is their COMPLETE control of their own image, and ultimately, their bodies. It's not Kim's fault that she is objectified: it is society's fault for thinking it's okay to try and take claim of a confident woman who lives out loud and doesn't hide herself.

Sharon Osbourne has no right to decide what image is 'Feminist Approved.' Nobody made her the grand Marshall of feminism, and her need to throw another woman's CHOICE of how she lives and presents herself is in itself an anti feminist act. So if Sharon is holding every action that Kim makes up to the litmus test of feminism and declaring that she isn't one, then Sharon herself can't call herself a feminist, either.

I was following you up until this point mad5

and let's be real Kim K is not worthy to defend mad5

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Kirjava said:

I fucking hate this mentality that as soon as a woman is open with her sexuality she's a hoe. Men are open with their sexualities all the time and no one gives a fuck.

This is one of the biggest double standards in modern society, and I guess we could call it slut-shaming.

When a man, let's say, does a sexy photoshoot, it's seen as just another thing he does. It doesn't make him "less of a person", if anything it just makes him all the more appealing and versatile. But at the end of the day, doesn't really change people's opinion of him.

If a woman does a sexy shoot it's "scandalous". It's suddenly a topic of conversation, with people either celebrating it, or saying that it's shameful, and sad that she has to "resort to this". Sex is usually something positive for men, but for women it's scrutinized over and over to determine whether she had a enough good reason to do it. She has to justify it. And if she doesn't, she's a hoe.

My point is, for a man, being sexy is just part of who they are, but for women it defines their entire persona. And that is misogyny.

 

So yeah, Sharon is basically being a female misogynist here.

 

Also, if we're following this "hoes can't be feminists" bullshit, then we are also excluding female sex workers, who are some of the most exploited and discriminated against groups of women.

But she is a hoe tho fall2

Like there is enough evidence fall2

 

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Just now, Redporus said:

But she is a hoe tho fall2

Like there is enough evidence fall2

I'm not trying to prove that she isn't. I'm just saying if she was a man posting sexy selfies no one would give half the fucks.

The same way female pornstars are looked down upon for being sluts, but male pornstars are envied cuz they "get to fuck all the bitches".

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2 minutes ago, Redporus said:

I was following you up until this point mad5

and let's be real Kim K is not worthy to defend mad5

 

 

Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to claim her own image and do what she wants with it. Let's be real: society would like Kim a lot more if she bent to their scrutiny and covered herself up, stopped being so into her appearance, etc. but it's not anybody else's right to say that a woman who is thriving in the fucked up public eye that we have created as a misogynistic society should behave differently. She is not required to act any other way than how she wants to. That's her right as a human being. 

Its also Sharon's right to be shitty and drag Kim for it. HOWEVER: it doesn't make her correct and it doesn't make her an authority on Feminism. 

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