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16 hours ago, Frozen said:

I could care less who finds the truth offensive. Biological women have a vagina and bio men have a penis. Trans women can have a fake vagina or keep their penis. Trans women are still biologically male. Trans men are still biological women it’s a fact

its be cis not bio jj4 

and your posts are disgusting jj4 

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18 hours ago, Hylia said:

Gender and sex are not the same thing. Not all trans people get gender reassignment surgery, which makes your initial post wrong and also offensive.

 

16 hours ago, Hylia said:

Your penis does not make you male, your own identity that’s developed in your mind throughout your life makes you male, or female. It’s really not hard to understand, but I’m not surprised considering the person I’m talking to here.

Which is it? If gender and sex are different (you're right, they are), then why are you conflating maleness with gender identity?

Male is a sex, and sex is determined by biology so you're born with it and it doesn't change. Your gender identity can make you a man or a woman but it doesn't make you male or female. It's not transphobic to acknowledge that transwomen are male; it's a biological reality.

I hope we can have a nice discussion about this, because I respect you and I don't understand what you're saying but I want to. If you want some more background on what I mean, I also talked about this in the comments section of my blog with @Simón.

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2 hours ago, Hermione said:

 

Which is it? If gender and sex are different (you're right, they are), then why are you conflating maleness with gender identity?

Male is a sex, and sex is determined by biology so you're born with it and it doesn't change. Your gender identity can make you a man or a woman but it doesn't make you male or female. It's not transphobic to acknowledge that transwomen are male; it's a biological reality.

I hope we can have a nice discussion about this, because I respect you and I don't understand what you're saying but I want to. If you want some more background on what I mean, I also talked about this in the comments section of my blog with @Simón.

Admittedly, there’s a lot I don’t know about the biology aspects of this topic, but that doesn’t justify some of the things being said in this thread (the comment about trans men in porn, for example). I’m sure you have bigger bones to pick than singling out my posts in this thread.

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5 hours ago, Hylia said:

Admittedly, there’s a lot I don’t know about the biology aspects of this topic, but that doesn’t justify some of the things being said in this thread (the comment about trans men in porn, for example). I’m sure you have bigger bones to pick than singling out my posts in this thread.

Fair enough, and I never said I felt any type of way about those comments. What I'm saying has nothing to do with defending Frozen and ShutUpRae.

I've just noticed a growing trend, on here and in real life, of people who think that they're being woke by denying that transwomen are biologically male, which not only goes against science but completely disregards the sex-based oppression that female-born women face. After all, like both of us agree on, sex and gender are two different things so that just seems contradictory to me. If transwomen were female, then why would they even be called transwomen in the first place? I saw a comment in another thread that basically said "Not everything has to match up with science" and I just face-palmed because that line of thinking is how cults get started. rip4

It's nothing against you; I have no bones to pick. I guess I just wanted to make a point so people will stop saying sex and gender are different and then following it up by using terminology that suggests that they're the same thing after all. I'll stop now, though.

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39 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Fair enough, and I never said I felt any type of way about those comments. What I'm saying has nothing to do with defending Frozen and ShutUpRae.

I've just noticed a growing trend, on here and in real life, of people who think that they're being woke by denying that transwomen are biologically male, which not only goes against science but completely disregards the sex-based oppression that female-born women face. After all, like both of us agree on, sex and gender are two different things so that just seems contradictory to me. If transwomen were female, then why would they even be called transwomen in the first place? I saw a comment in another thread that basically said "Not everything has to match up with science" and I just face-palmed because that line of thinking is how cults get started. rip4

It's nothing against you; I have no bones to pick. I guess I just wanted to make a point so people will stop saying sex and gender are different and then following it up by using terminology that suggests that they're the same thing after all. I'll stop now, though.

I apologize for my bitchiness earlier rip2 I was in a mood.

 

Like I said, there’s a lot I don’t know, and I do understand what you mean now. I appreciate you taking the time to politely point out my misusing of the terminology, it’s definitely something I’ll be sure to make myself more aware and knowledgeable on before speaking of such heavy topics in the future. I also apologize to @Frozen for referring to him as transphobic, that was pretty unnecessary of me.

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9 hours ago, Chris Morlock said:

its be cis not bio jj4 

and your posts are disgusting jj4 

Same thing tbh and it’s not disgusting it’s truth. I’m not spewing any hate speech, you’re only saying that because you don’t agree.

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On 22.10.2017 at 3:30 AM, Frozen said:

Your penis makes you biologically male, it’s not rocket science. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

This IS hate speech, though. Also @Hermione might wanna explain why you did upvote the post where Frozen claimed not spreading hate speech in this thread?

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23 minutes ago, Simón. said:

This IS hate speech, though. Also @Hermione might wanna explain why you did upvote the post where Frozen claimed not spreading hate speech in this thread?

Gender dysphoria literally means your mental isn’t in sequence with your physical being. Gender dysphoria is quite literally mentioned in DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). The American Psychiatric  Association  list gender dysphpria as a mental illness .It’s not hate speech, its a fact.

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18 minutes ago, Frozen said:

Gender dysphoria literally means your mental isn’t in sequence with your physical being. Gender dysphoria is quite literally mentions in DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). The American Psychiatric  Association  list gender dysphpria as a mental illness .It’s not hate speech, if a fact.

And the European Union classifies not as a mental illness. That the USA is lacking behind in LGBT rights is not a secret.

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Just now, Simón. said:

And the European Union classifies not as a mental illness. That the USA is lacking behind in LGBT rights is not a secret.

Not when ArmeniaBelarusBulgariaCroatiaHungaryLatviaLithuaniaMoldovaMontenegroPolandSerbiaSlovakia and Ukraine. Don’t recognize same sex marriage. Gender dysphoria is a mental ilness and that’s ok. 

Theres also this 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/25/many-european-countries-wont-recognize-transgender-people-unless-theyre-sterilized/

 

European countries aren’t better than any other country.

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1 minute ago, Frozen said:

Not when ArmeniaBelarusBulgariaCroatiaHungaryLatviaLithuaniaMoldovaMontenegroPolandSerbiaSlovakia and Ukraine. Don’t recognize same sex marriage. Gender dysphoria is a mental ilness and that’s ok. 

Theres also this 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/25/many-european-countries-wont-recognize-transgender-people-unless-theyre-sterilized/

 

European countries aren’t better than any other country.

But that doesn't change the fact that the European union is classifying it not as a mental disease. 

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3 minutes ago, Simón. said:

But that doesn't change the fact that the European union is classifying it not as a mental disease. 

You said the USA is lacking behind Europe in term on LGBT rights which is simply not true. Regardless I love everyone and I call everyone by whatever pronoun they like ! 

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Just now, Frozen said:

You said the USA is lacking behind Europe in term on LGBT rights which is simply not true. Regardless I love everyone and I call everyone by whatever pronoun they like ! 

thats something at least 

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4 hours ago, Simón. said:

This IS hate speech, though. Also @Hermione might wanna explain why you did upvote the post where Frozen claimed not spreading hate speech in this thread?

Like I already said, biology isn't hate speech. There's literally nothing wrong with saying transwomen are biologically male because it's a scientific fact. Other things he said were messy for sure but that's what Chris called him disgusting for saying. I don't see how Frozen is wrong or hateful for saying that comment in particular.

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4 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Like I already said, biology isn't hate speech. There's literally nothing wrong with saying transwomen are biologically male because it's a scientific fact. Other things he said were messy for sure but that's what Chris called him disgusting for saying. I don't see how Frozen is wrong or hateful for saying that comment in particular.

He said being trans is a mental illness. Chris clearly referred to several posts 

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On 10/21/2017 at 8:15 PM, Hylia said:

Your penis does not make you male, your own identity that’s developed in your mind throughout your life makes you male, or female. It’s really not hard to understand, but I’m not surprised considering the person I’m talking to here.

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On 22 October 2017 at 2:15 AM, Hylia said:

Your penis does not make you male, your own identity that’s developed in your mind throughout your life makes you male, or female. It’s really not hard to understand, but I’m not surprised considering the person I’m talking to here.

 

2 hours ago, Hylia said:

 

Why does this development make it seem like you're implying you had a sex change, but regret it? rip4 

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4 minutes ago, Dash My Wig said:

 

Why does this development make it seem like you're implying you had a sex change, but regret it? rip4 

An attempt was made at a Chaz Bono era, but ended in more of a Caitlyn Jenner fashion

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