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"This will be her Born This Way era", they said lmfao2

"My niece who is a big Taylor fan has abandoned her", they said zzz1

What is it with Madonna fans and every successful female pop star?

Taylor already has a better album run than Madonna at this point.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Urbi said:

Weren’t you the one who was recently bitching about how local she is? oprah8 

Sis...I like Beyoncé. I really do but it's a damn fact that she's rather local. Why do you think she's in my stan badges? The Bey hive are simply fucking delusional when it comes to her and I will clock them when necessary.

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4 hours ago, HninSi said:

 

Taylor already has a better album run than Madonna at this point.

 

 

I’ve praised Taylor and the album here and in her section so don’t try and say I’m hating but as an M stan and someone  who isn’t a flat out fool, this is some bullshit. Taylor’s numbers are great. Have been for years. But don’t compare her to someone who’s sold 300 million records just because Taylor sold 1m+ on multiple occasions. Only a hater would deny Taylor’s success, but likewise only an ignoramus would compare her album run to Madonna’s at this point into her career. Like-

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On 11/10/2017 at 6:49 AM, Dangerous Jim said:

What numbers?

 

Receipts please if you're going to attempt to drag. moo1 

 

P.S Great album though tay2 

Sold at least 700k in one day (not full numbers too) 

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8031321/taylor-swift-reputation-sold-700000-first-day-nielsen-music-big-machine-records

 

Projected 1.4-1.5 milllion: 

http://m.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309311

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4 hours ago, Satori said:

I’ve praised Taylor and the album here and in her section so don’t try and say I’m hating but as an M stan and someone  who isn’t a flat out fool, this is some bullshit. Taylor’s numbers are great. Have been for years. But don’t compare her to someone who’s sold 300 million records just because Taylor sold 1m+ on multiple occasions. Only a hater would deny Taylor’s success, but likewise only an ignoramus would compare her album run to Madonna’s at this point into her career. Like-

Like what? Compare the first ten years of their careers. Who flopped?

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28 minutes ago, HninSi said:

Like what? Compare the first ten years of their careers. Who flopped?

But Madonna ‘flopped’ due to taking risks and not because the public’s over her, she was ten times more culturally signifcant even during Erotica. Her success is remarkable because she was able to experiment and take risks and tip her toes into uncharted terrorities (in terms of mainstream Pop) and still manange to be victorious. She had the type of star power Gaga had during 2009 but for decades and we all saw how hard it is to maintain that level of stardom, Taylor however is as safe as the definition of the word safe gets, her team works relentlessly in order to keep her brand undamaged in order to continue her reign. Excluding non studio albums (including the massive TIC), Madonna had 7 albums which were global smashes. Taylor so far released 6 and like 4 of them were local. 

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1 hour ago, Jjang said:

But Madonna ‘flopped’ due to taking risks and not because the public’s over her, she was ten times more culturally signifcant even during Erotica. Her success is remarkable because she was able to experiment and take risks and tip her toes into uncharted terrorities (in terms of mainstream Pop) and still manange to be victorious. She had the type of star power Gaga had during 2009 but for decades and we all saw how hard it is to maintain that level of stardom, Taylor however is as safe as the definition of the word safe gets, her team works relentlessly in order to keep her brand undamaged in order to continue her reign. Excluding non studio albums (including the massive TIC), Madonna had 7 albums which were global smashes. Taylor so far released 6 and like 4 of them were local. 

There are excuses for every flop.

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On 11/10/2017 at 4:40 AM, Kenny Mccormick said:

That Taylor took all your doubts about her and threw it in the trash ? She just pulled numbers that out sold all of your flop faves 

brit5

must feel very bad brit5

Must really suck for them

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7 hours ago, Satori said:

I’ve praised Taylor and the album here and in her section so don’t try and say I’m hating but as an M stan and someone  who isn’t a flat out fool, this is some bullshit. Taylor’s numbers are great. Have been for years. But don’t compare her to someone who’s sold 300 million records just because Taylor sold 1m+ on multiple occasions. Only a hater would deny Taylor’s success, but likewise only an ignoramus would compare her album run to Madonna’s at this point into her career. Like-

When Taylor is 40 and cranking out a #1 album, call me back.

Madonna

40 Ray Of Light

42 Music

47 Confessions

 

3 Hit Albums

 

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2 hours ago, Jjang said:

But Madonna ‘flopped’ due to taking risks and not because the public’s over her, she was ten times more culturally signifcant even during Erotica. Her success is remarkable because she was able to experiment and take risks and tip her toes into uncharted terrorities (in terms of mainstream Pop) and still manange to be victorious. She had the type of star power Gaga had during 2009 but for decades and we all saw how hard it is to maintain that level of stardom, Taylor however is as safe as the definition of the word safe gets, her team works relentlessly in order to keep her brand undamaged in order to continue her reign. Excluding non studio albums (including the massive TIC), Madonna had 7 albums which were global smashes. Taylor so far released 6 and like 4 of them were local. 

That is the thing Taylor DOES not do, Take risks. Erotica was a great era for Madonna because she changed how artists release music-

 

"By 1992, Madonna was an icon—untouchable, literally and figuratively—and Erotica was the first time the artist's music took on a decidedly combative, even threatening tone, and most people didn't want to hear it. Erotica's irrefutable unsexiness probably says more about the sex=death mentality of the early '90s than any other musical document of its time. This is not Madonna at her creative zenith. This is Madonna at her most important, at her most relevant. No one else in the mainstream at that time dared to talk about sex, love, and death with such frankness and fearlessness."

—Slant Magazine's critic Sal Cinquemani on the album's impact.[2]

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame considered Erotica as one of the most revolutionary albums of all time, declaring that "...few women artists, before or since Erotica, have been so outspoken about their fantasies and desires. Madonna made it clear that shame and sexuality are mutually exclusive... In the end, Erotica embraced and espoused pleasure, and kept Madonna at the forefront of pop's sexual revolution."[79] Slant Magazine listed Erotica at number 24 on "The 100 Best Albums of the 1990s", calling it a "dark masterpiece".[80] Miles Raymer of Entertainment Weekly said that "in retrospect it's her strongest album — produced at the peak of her power and provocativeness... and helped elevate her from mere pop star to an era-defining icon."[81] Bianca Gracie from Fuse TV channel called Erotica "the album that changed the pop music world forever... one of the most controversial and genre-defining albums in pop history."[82]

J. Randy Taraborrelli documented at the time of Erotica's release, "much of society seemed to reexamining its sexuality. Gay rights issueswere at the forefront of social discussions globally, as was an ever-increasing awareness of AIDS."[83] Barry Walters from Rolling Stonenoted that the album's greatest contribution is "[its] embrace of the other, which in this case means queerness, blackness, third-wave feminism, exhibitionism and kink. Madonna took what was marginalized at the worst of the AIDS epidemic, placed it in an emancipated context, and shoved it into the mainstream for all to see and hear."[78] Brian McNair, the author of Striptease Culture: Sex, Media and the Democratization of Desire, stated that upon the album's release "academic books began to appear about the 'Madonna phenomenon', while pro- and anti-porn feminists made of her a symbol of all that was good or bad (depending on their viewpoint) about contemporary sexual culture."[84] Daryl Deino from The Inquisitr dubbed the album as "a groundbreaking moment for feminism."[85]

 

Barry Walters asserted that Erotica "set the blueprint for modern pop... Without Madonna, modern pop as we know it would be unimaginable." He noticed the album's influence on various artists such as Beyoncé, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Lady Gaga, and Nicki Minaj.[78] Critics also found its influence on Janet Jackson's 1997 album The Velvet Rope,[87] with Daryl Easlea from BBC writing that Jackson's album "resembles Erotica by Madonna at times, in subject manner and style."[88] Jeni Wren Stottrup from The Portland Mercury believed that "Erotica should be recognized as one of Madonna's greatest albums. While it marks the end of the pinnacle of her fame, it set the stage for empowered pop artists like Beyoncé and Britney, de-stigmatizing the bedroom and expanding the possibilities for women in pop. Erotica lives today as a reminder of the true fearlessness that made Madonna an icon."[89]

 

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