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Breaking myths: Mariah DID NOT popularize Rap features

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18 hours ago, ShutUpRae said:

It was definitely a thing before Fantasy, but mariah undoubtedly HELPED popularize it. She didn't do it single-handedly just like Madonna didn't single-handedly start the sexual revolution in pop music

If Mariah popularized this then Madonna popularized Dance Pop ari8

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5 minutes ago, HninSi said:

Whom would you choose — a member of TLC who credited Mariah for "hip-pop" sound or a FOTPer who couldn't differentiate between lead vocals and harmonies? Decide peopleeve1

 

 

Not Mariah invented Hip Hop lmfao1

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Just now, HninSi said:

So now you can't read too, or too excited? What a pity! eve1

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credited Mariah for "hip-pop" sound

Not Hip Pop lmfao1 Fantasy follows a very well established R&B 90's formula, it's predominately Urban - and . The fact that you now consider Mariah the cha cha Pop you so desperately despise because her fake legacy is on the line now. gag1 If Mariah popularized Hip Pop then Madonna popularized Dance-Pop. lmfao1

 

I mean, if anything Chaka Khan did it first and got a smash hit with it

 

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5 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Not Hip Pop lmfao1 Fantasy follows a very well established R&B 90's formula, it's predominately Urban - and . The fact that you now consider Mariah the cha cha Pop you so desperately despise because her fake legacy is on the line now. gag1 If Mariah popularized Hip Pop then Madonna popularized Dance-Pop. lmfao1

 

I mean, if anything Chaka Khan did it first and got a smash hit with it

 

Don't get too enthusiastic Sunshine. Do you really think what Left Eye meant by "hip-pop" was pop music? 

Maybe you'll suffer less from Mariah in the future.

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8 minutes ago, HninSi said:

Don't get too enthusiastic Sunshine. Do you really think what Left Eye meant by "hip-pop" was pop music? 

Maybe you'll suffer less from Mariah in the future.

Cackle, you were probably one of these fans who thought she invented it. Welcome to reality sunshine! gag1

What, is "Hip - Pop" a genre so complex and underground our humanely ears can't process? gag1 She absolutely meant renting a rapper on top of a Pop melody, which yes, Mariah was not the first to do or achieve a hit with. Bye! 

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The moral of the story is that Madonna did that first too some months before Mariah release Fantasy. She had rap feature in Bedtime Stories too. Good sis influencing Mariah. Seems Moo didn't stop listenting to M at the 7th grade.

rih12 

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52 minutes ago, Régine Filange said:

The moral of the story is that Madonna did that first too some months before Mariah release Fantasy. She had rap feature in Bedtime Stories too. Good sis influencing Mariah. Seems Moo didn't stop listenting to M at the 7th grade.

rih12 

Mariah INVENTED that genre, KAY? mad10

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10 hours ago, Jjang said:

Mary, Brandy, Janet, Michael, Whitney, Madonna, Prince and many others etc all have done it prior to Mariah, she wasn't even the first person to have a hit ODB feature. How are these not counter receipts? And yes for the millionth time some of these were hits as well. We're not talking about indie artists here, we're talking about the queen of mainstream Hip Hop - R&B (Mary), the Queen of Pop (Madonna), The King of Pop (MJ), The king of R&B & Funk (Prince) and the Queen of vocals (Whitney) all having done it prior to Fantasy remix which was a moderate hit at best.brit15 To even dare suggest that it's responsible for Bey or whoever featuring rappers today is comedic. 

Actually my thread was made 2 hours prior to that one, so look at me achieving what you never achieved: impact! Like stans like faves!

Anyway, wrong. SUFFER! gag1

The argument isnt that Mariah was the FIRST to do a remix. It’s that she POPULARIZED the mix between pop vocalist and hip/hop rap feature. The fact that other pop stars have done it and had no impact, then Mariah did it and changed the entire mainstream perception of rap features = lol2 . So your “receipts” are not “receipts” brit10 

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17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The argument isnt that Mariah was the FIRST to do a remix. It’s that she POPULARIZED the mix between pop vocalist and hip/hop rap feature. The fact that other pop stars have done it and had no impact, then Mariah did it and changed the entire mainstream perception of rap features = lol2 . So your “receipts” are not “receipts” brit10 

Isn't this an oxymoron tho? lol2 The OP showed that not 1 or 2, but many artists did it before Mariah. It was something that was happening a lot before Mariah does it, hers just managed to chart cause she was at her peak. Big names in music were doing it before her song charts. How she popularized something that it was already happening by many artists? Are we sure they didn't credit her cause she just charted with it? lol2 Cause as i see many artists were doing it before Fantasy, many artists did it after Fantasy.

lol2

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