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songwriter vs. songwriter: Ester Dean vs. Lady Gaga

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Who is the better songwriter and why? Here are a couple examples of their best work:

Ester Dean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e82VE8UtW8A (Rude Boy by Rihanna) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JipHEz53sU (Super Bass by Nicki Minaj ft. Ester Dean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw  (Firework by Katy Perry)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce2_k0LaE7E (S&M by Rihanna) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxt_v0WF6Y (Where Have You Been by Rihanna)

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Lady Gaga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Abk1jAONjw (Just Dance)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo (Poker Face)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I (Bad Romance)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPJjwHAIny4 (Shallow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoAm4om0wTs (Rain On Me)

Fun facts: both were born in the same year 1986 (year of the hit makers apparently). They are half a month apart, Ester Dean is younger than Gaga by about 2 weeks. This means both are aries. Both were signed on as songwriters first: Ester Dean to Interscope and Gaga to Def Jam (testament to their abilities). Gaga got dropped though, flop ;). Both have written songs for Britney Spears. Ester has given mad props to Gaga on two occasions: first in a this interview:  https://singersroom.com/content/2009-10-15/ester-dean-emotional-journey/ and secondly in a billboard interview: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/471195/ester-dean-talks-solo-career-writing-sm-and-firework. In the first interview Ester stated:

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And the person that just gives me chills, for real, is Lady Gaga. She is incredible to me, because like whatever she decides to do and I heard that’s just exactly who she is; the crazy clothes and everything that’s her and when I hear her songs, oh my God, I’m like Oh my Goodness, I don’t believe I ever felt like this. I am an actual fan.

So if you all decide to gang up on Gaga, Ester Dean is more than well aware of what Gaga can do and she respects and admires her. :)

edit: sorry videos wont embed. oh well. 

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Ummm Ester, easily. Gaga couldn't write classics like Rude Boy, Super Bass and S&M to save her life. She's quite a one-dimensional songwriter.

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13 hours ago, Madonna said:

Ummm Ester, easily. Gaga couldn't write classics like Rude Boy, Super Bass and S&M to save her life. She's quite a one-dimensional songwriter.

You disliked my post why? brit4

Anyways, ED hasn't had a massive hit in a couple years now. Perhaps she is working on Rihanna's album as we speak. Gaga is fresh off a #1. 

 

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Ester Dean imo is better, Gaga's songwriting is very... Her. If that makes sense.

 

Her songs are best left to herself than given to anyone else (like Mariah or Madonna for example) instead of someone who can pen for a variety of people (Max Martin and Sia for example)

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Ester Dean is a more...I guess the best word would be professional songwriter in the sense knows how to write for different people. She is able to adapt herself to fit the style of whoever she's writing for. Gaga is a great writer for Gaga but she couldn't really adapt herself to write competently for someone else's style and abilities. 

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On 7/13/2020 at 5:19 AM, Madonna said:

Ummm Ester, easily. Gaga couldn't write classics like Rude Boy, Super Bass and S&M to save her life. She's quite a one-dimensional songwriter.

people really love using the word "classic" nowadays huh. ari8

21 hours ago, Strobo said:

Ester Dean imo is better, Gaga's songwriting is very... Her. If that makes sense.

 

Her songs are best left to herself than given to anyone else (like Mariah or Madonna for example) instead of someone who can pen for a variety of people (Max Martin and Sia for example)

 

15 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Ester Dean is a more...I guess the best word would be professional songwriter in the sense knows how to write for different people. She is able to adapt herself to fit the style of whoever she's writing for. Gaga is a great writer for Gaga but she couldn't really adapt herself to write competently for someone else's style and abilities. 

I agree with this, but you guys say this because Gaga really didn't reach the heights of hit-making like Ester Dean did. Gaga hit it big with her music and so her label's focus wasn't on her writing music for other artists, it was writing music for herself (like how Mariah Carey did). Ester Dean unfortunately did not hit it big as a solo artist and was relegated to being a songwriter full time. So Dean got to focus on solely writing music.

It's true that Gaga's songs are very distinct and fit her style more than anyone. But She has shown the ability to write more universally appealing songs. Telephone was written for Britney originally. And she also wrote Quicksand, which is a fabulous song. She also wrote a song for Michael Bolton and the melody is one of her best. The chorus is spectacular. 

 

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