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A Stan Is Down: Madonna No-Voice Ciccone vs. Mariah No-Middle-Name Carey

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10 minutes ago, light741 said:

Darling there are a lot of good performances to prove she can still sing. And 15 seconnds are enough to show if somebody can still sing or not.

No lol 15 seconds is in no way indicative of whether or not a show is gonna be good. And those clips are not even that good 

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2 minutes ago, Ahmed said:

No lol 15 seconds is in no way indicative of whether or not a show is gonna be good. And those clips are not even that good 

It's enough to prove she can still sing.

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1 minute ago, light741 said:

 

 

 

It's enough to prove she can still sing.

not enough for ppl to buy tickets apparently lol Streisand's tours sell out and gross 10x more and she's 30 years older.

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5 minutes ago, Ahmed said:

not enough for ppl to buy tickets apparently lol Streisand's tours sell out and gross 10x more and she's 30 years older.

Good for Bab. Mariah can still sing and is a legend regardless.

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Let's see if Mariah doesn't have good vocal moments in her career shall we darling? @Ahmed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, light741 said:

Let's see if Mariah doesn't have good vocal moments in her career shall we darling? @Ahmed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am devastated. I was completely wrong. She sounds so strong in these stellar performances. She raised the bar too high for everyone else, thanks for making me see the @light741

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Ever heard of diaphragmatic support and actual resonance that has a ringing quality and vibrato? 

Celine Dion could never do clear upper belts like this in her entire career. All she could do was using mixed voice to access her upper belts, not raising her soft palate, giving a yodel 

9 hours ago, Ahmed said:

The nasal cavity is the biggest resonator of the voice. That's literally where the sound blooms, not the throat :rip:. Barbra Streisand uses lot of nasal resonance, has literally the best vocal technique and can still sing flawlessly at age 80. Mariah hasn't had this stamina since she was 26. 

The way Mariah at 50 would never DARE sing a LIVE duet with Ariana and Barbra did it at age 79 and had more resonance than Ariana.

 

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17 hours ago, HninSi said:

Ever heard of diaphragmatic support and actual resonance that has a ringing quality and vibrato? 

Celine Dion could never do clear upper belts like this in her entire career. All she could do was using mixed voice to access her upper belts, not raising her soft palate, giving a yodel 

The way you bring this song that was recorded line by line as a receipt :rip: There's nothing wrong with a mixed voice btw, don't know why you think so

 

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18 hours ago, HninSi said:

Celine Dion could never do clear upper belts like this in her entire career. All she could do was using mixed voice to access her upper belts, not raising her soft palate, giving a yodel 

Literally every singer mixes to access higher belts, Celine has a more heady mix (like Ariana) but there's nothing wrong with that, Mariah mixes too, it's how they managed to get that rounded sound. If anything a head mix is healthier than a chest dominated mix (Xtina, Demi).

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5 hours ago, Billie Frank said:

Literally every singer mixes to access higher belts, Celine has a more heady mix (like Ariana) but there's nothing wrong with that, Mariah mixes too, it's how they managed to get that rounded sound. If anything a head mix is healthier than a chest dominated mix (Xtina, Demi).

Xtina and Demi is more like throat dominated mix, tho. 

 

7 hours ago, Ahmed said:

The way you bring this song that was recorded line by line as a receipt :rip: There's nothing wrong with a mixed voice btw, don't know why you think so

 

This song has textbook example of clear, resonant belts with vibrato, hence it can testify the test of quality brit7 You won't find that in Celine's discography. Belts are NOT supposed to be head notes or falsettos. It's ok to prefer them, but branding them as the right way is misleading to casual listeners alex1 Sure they can be considered safe, or cheating or whatever. But you won't be considered better or even good by experts who see it.

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12 hours ago, HninSi said:

Xtina and Demi is more like throat dominated mix, tho. 

 

This song has textbook example of clear, resonant belts with vibrato, hence it can testify the test of quality brit7 You won't find that in Celine's discography. Belts are NOT supposed to be head notes or falsettos. It's ok to prefer them, but branding them as the right way is misleading to casual listeners alex1 Sure they can be considered safe, or cheating or whatever. But you won't be considered better or even good by experts who see it.

Girl what? Who said belting is the best way to sing? It used to be considered the standard cuz there were no mics back in the day, but it has changed lmao. And Mariah's chest voice and vibrato would be considered weak compared to the vocal standards from back in the day.

 Mariah takes 100 takes of one belted words, then does the next etc. It sounds a mess when put together, anyone trying to sing along to her can tell it's not natural. You can't flip to thin falsetto then be chesty with no breath in between. Celine mixes with some head voice to remain consistent. Same for Beyonce or Barbra or any vocalist who thinks about how they need to make their songs realistic live. How you place your real breath, not how you can use countless takes to create an illusion that you have a bigger breath capacity than you do lol That's why everyone is so surprised at how breathless Mairah sounds live lol  Watch these. Barbra masters everything better than Mariah. 11:30 "being a melismatic singer does not grant any singer supremacy" btw lol Mariah only uses that to conceal her flaws. The best technician would never use such breathy techniques to that extreme.

 

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1 hour ago, Ahmed said:

Girl what? Who said belting is the best way to sing? It used to be considered the standard cuz there were no mics back in the day, but it has changed lmao. And Mariah's chest voice and vibrato would be considered weak compared to the vocal standards from back in the day.

 Mariah takes 100 takes of one belted words, then does the next etc. It sounds a mess when put together, anyone trying to sing along to her can tell it's not natural. You can't flip to thin falsetto then be chesty with no breath in between. Celine mixes with some head voice to remain consistent. Same for Beyonce or Barbra or any vocalist who thinks about how they need to make their songs realistic live. How you place your real breath, not how you can use countless takes to create an illusion that you have a bigger breath capacity than you do lol That's why everyone is so surprised at how breathless Mairah sounds live lol  Watch these. Barbra masters everything better than Mariah. 11:30 "being a melismatic singer does not grant any singer supremacy" btw lol Mariah only uses that to conceal her flaws. The best technician would never use such breathy techniques to that extreme.

 

The way Mariah sings is not a mess or weak just because you don't like it. Mariah has proven countless times that she has great musicianship. Showing great inflections. Knowing how to play with the meter, whether that’s behind in or in front. Rhythmic intuition and melodic phrasing that can handle very complex vocal lines. Hearing the spaces between intervals. Choosing the most effective embellishments/ articulations. Extrapolating and resolving melodic statements. Being able to float above a pop melody, settle into a hip-hop groove, as well as turning around and give jazz interpretations of a standard with authenticity of those who came before her. Always singing in service of the song rather than herself.

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34 minutes ago, light741 said:

 Always singing in service of the song rather than herself.

such a reach lol So many things she does don't even fit with the music, like those horrible whiny whistle notes in A No No music video.  Songs like Heavenly and Save the Day are saturated with unnecessary annoying layers that just makes the listener dizzy.

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4 minutes ago, Ahmed said:

such a reach lol So many things she does don't even fit with the music, like those horrible whiny whistle notes in A No No music video.  Songs like Heavenly and Save the Day are saturated with unnecessary annoying layers that just makes the listener dizzy.

That's your opinion.

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Not Moo Vs Madge being revived in BGs. I thought we had left the year 1856. 

I doubt anyone compared her vocals to Madonna. 

At least she tried to be a vocalist, you can't discredited that she at least tried to be a good singer. Plus her voice is distinctive, not everyone has that. 


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