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Thoughts on Normani's comeback single

Normani's comeback single  

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  1. 1. Thoughts on her comeback single "Wild Side"?

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4 hours ago, Gwen Stefanee said:

You're too harsh! But there's some truth to what you said here. I'm torn in-between seeing it as Normani owning her sexuality and Normani playing/being played by somebody to appeal to the hetero male gaze.

Fear it's the latter. Everyone's oversexualised at the moment, it's not cute.

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6 hours ago, LÉON said:

Comeback? Where is she coming back from? Her top 35 hit?

Song is bland, and apparently all women of colour who duet now have to act like lesbians in the music video.

That's barely a hit all things considered. Plus remember she was M.I.A. for almost 2 years. She didn't even give Motivation the proper promo.

You make it seem like every single woman of color is being sexualized when they duet together when that isn't the case. That's a pretty harmful stereotype to put on women of color. If Normani want to be more sexual in her music and videos then that's her decision. The single cover made it clear what kind of song and video it was gonna be. Plus the song is incredibly sexual on it's own so their that.

I can understand if you don't like the video and song, that subgenre of R&B is not for everyone and performative bisexuality and appealing to the male gaze is an issue in the media, especially among women of color.

1 hour ago, Urbi said:

I thought of that too. Snares in the background remind me of One In A Million too much jj4 

I didn't mind it since I love the song but I really hope her album doesn't sound too much like Wild Side. When I heard she was gonna sample Aaliyah I thought she was gonna sample something from her self titled one.

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29 minutes ago, Kyoteki said:

Some of these comments don't sit right with me at all. 

Ikr? Why can’t women embrace their sexuality? I thought we don’t live in dark ages anymore

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13 minutes ago, Urbi said:

Ikr? Why can’t women embrace their sexuality? I thought we don’t live in dark ages anymore

It's a bit tricky since yes women can embrace their sexuality but when this kind of oversexualized images are being pushed and are easily more accessible people get a sweked view of WOC and they are reduced to the oldest racist stereotype in the book -that they are naturally more sexual, wilder and more "animalistic" than white women. 

I rarely see white female artists be portrayed on their mvs as sexually as woc and there comes the question wether this is their choice or is it just a marketing ploy that goes along with the zeitgeist now: everything being oversexualized. 

I've already seen white men especially generalize woc as being more "disgusting" and only about sex when WAP came out. I'm not saying that they can't embrace their sexuality but maybe this shouldn't be the only option for woc or maybe there are other ways than being naked and appealing to the male gaze? It's complicated. 

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27 minutes ago, Atlantis Princess said:

It's a bit tricky since yes women can embrace their sexuality but when this kind of oversexualized images are being pushed and are easily more accessible people get a sweked view of WOC and they are reduced to the oldest racist stereotype in the book -that they are naturally more sexual, wilder and more "animalistic" than white women. 

I rarely see white female artists be portrayed on their mvs as sexually as woc and there comes the question wether this is their choice or is it just a marketing ploy that goes along with the zeitgeist now: everything being oversexualized. 

I've already seen white men especially generalize woc as being more "disgusting" and only about sex when WAP came out. I'm not saying that they can't embrace their sexuality but maybe this shouldn't be the only option for woc or maybe there are other ways than being naked and appealing to the male gaze? It's complicated. 

It's not tricky. Just mind your business. Let people create the art they want and don't judge people off of actions. Saying Black women shouldn't be oversexual cause of stereotypes is stupid and have racial undertones on it's own.

 

 

 

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I lost interest in the song about half way in. I liked her set looks and her dancing abilities in the video and her sexy image - It’s a music video and she worked it. Cardi’s part felt like it was recorded for a different song but good for her label for getting her. I think Normani fans will be happy with this new song, but it’s not lead single material.

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13 minutes ago, Kyoteki said:

It's not tricky. Just mind your business. Let people create the art they want and don't judge people off of actions. Saying Black women shouldn't be oversexual cause of stereotypes is stupid and have racial undertones on it's own.

 

 

 

I'm not the only one pointing this out. There's a whole black feminist thought that discusses this as well. 

It would be good if people didn't judge based off actions or if people didn't generalize women's behaviour based on what they see celebrities do but they unfortunately do and that's why it's being discussed. 

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2 hours ago, Atlantis Princess said:

It's a bit tricky since yes women can embrace their sexuality but when this kind of oversexualized images are being pushed and are easily more accessible people get a sweked view of WOC and they are reduced to the oldest racist stereotype in the book -that they are naturally more sexual, wilder and more "animalistic" than white women. 

What’s oversexualised to you doesn’t have to look oversexualised to somebody else and on that note I’d like to end this discussion - at least on my side. 

 

1 hour ago, Kyoteki said:

It's not tricky. Just mind your business. Let people create the art they want and don't judge people off of actions. Saying Black women shouldn't be oversexual cause of stereotypes is stupid and have racial undertones on it's own.

 

 

 

MTE. “Why is she not wearing gowns? She wants to look like white man’s whore!!111” logic is so out of pocket. What about letting people presenting their craft in the way they want to regardless of their sex, skin colour, sexuality, ethnicity and whatever else it could be?????? Dark ages, honestly.

 

11 hours ago, Venom said:

I'm glad that she was cancelled like the other 5H racist, and I think the choice to work with Cardi B is just as, if not worse than, some pop girls' insistence to work with Dr. Luke!

Delete your account, tyvm

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Song will need to grow on me because One in a Million is legendary and you need to REALLY know what you're doing if you're going to sample it.

I don't think it's bad though.

The video however? The videography and outfits and choreography are ALL excellent, and imo way better than Motivation. Motivation felt too much of a lowkey cheap with the main outfit in mind throwback to really stand on it's own legs. Here though? Normani is even more confident, and effortlessly so. Instead of putting herself in the shadow of 00s icons, she does her own thing and the result is much stronger as a result.

To the people here who wanna police sex in music and art though? Go touch grass. You sound goofy as hell talking about how a song about sex (called Wild Side at that), by a grown woman, featuring ANOTHER grown woman is "oversexualized" especially in the context of race.

It'd be one thing if we were referring to (an unfortunately prevalent trend) of black/dark skinned women in groups or other men's videos (remember Tip Drill?) being more sexualized than the others. But this is NORMANI'S video, and her vision of what SHE wants to do. If you think it's too much, watch or listen to something else. There's too damn many resources out there in the streaming era to start complaining about that.

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5 hours ago, Lynk said:

That's barely a hit all things considered. Plus remember she was M.I.A. for almost 2 years. She didn't even give Motivation the proper promo.

You make it seem like every single woman of color is being sexualized when they duet together when that isn't the case. That's a pretty harmful stereotype to put on women of color. If Normani want to be more sexual in her music and videos then that's her decision. The single cover made it clear what kind of song and video it was gonna be. Plus the song is incredibly sexual on it's own so their that.

I can understand if you don't like the video and song, that subgenre of R&B is not for everyone and performative bisexuality and appealing to the male gaze is an issue in the media, especially among women of color.

I'm not putting it on them, I'm putting it on video directors and the music industry at large.

Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion, SZA and Doja Cat also spring to mind. And yes, performative bisexuality and appealing to the male gaze are issues regardless of colour, I just noticed it seems to be happening a lot just lately.

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19 minutes ago, LÉON said:

And yes, performative bisexuality and appealing to the male gaze are issues regardless of colour, I just noticed it seems to be happening a lot just lately.

Now this is a point I can get behind because frankly it gets old, and it FEELS built for the male gaze when you consider these songs are generally being directed at a male sexual interest.
"It's my dick and I want it now" being a line while two naked ladies are all over each other comes off a certain way.

But even so, nothing's wrong with being sexually liberated.

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On 7/16/2021 at 11:10 AM, Atlantis Princess said:

It's nothing special. The music video was better than the song. The song is like every other r&b song out there right now. The song didn't need the feature Cardi doesn't know how to be subdued for a song like this. She has the same flow in all songs. 

+1.

 

i hope it does well tho. Normani deserves.

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On 7/16/2021 at 10:15 AM, LÉON said:

Comeback? Where is she coming back from? Her top 35 hit?

Song is bland, and apparently all women of colour who duet now have to act like lesbians in the music video.

It is funny how girlies put the trashiest sex videos and gheys come running to call them great. rih1 The standards for music videos have become so low and the word art is so often thrown around.

I have never liked cheap sexual images and this video isn't an exception. It doesn't matter if it comes from white, black or any other artist. A lot of white female artists on Balkan constantly serve these videos.  eve1 

These kind of videos look like a classic intro of porn. I don't mind if women want to own their sexuality, but serving porn chic is hardly that. I mean, they turn themselves into sex objects for men. jj3  

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24 minutes ago, SeekingThrill said:

It is funny how girlies put the trashiest sex videos and gheys come running to call them great. rih1 The standards for music videos have become so low and the word art is so often thrown around.

I have never liked cheap sexual images and this video isn't an exception. It doesn't matter if it comes from white, black or any other artist. A lot of white female artists on Balkan constantly serve these videos.  eve1 

These kind of videos look like a classic intro of porn. I don't mind if women want to own their sexuality, but serving porn chic is hardly that. I mean, they turn themselves into sex objects for men. jj3  

I'm not really sure people are calling this video art in the pretentious sense. More like, an artist's output is their art and their decision to at least some degree.

 

I think the camera work and choreo was pretty strong for what it's worth. Looks were hit or miss, and the theme is take it or leave it.

 

I just feel is a bit disingenuous to complain about oversexualization when our fave fought as hard as she did to let women' sexual expression in music/MVs become more normalized y'know?

 

I don't feel right policing something like that. Even less so with black women, especially when both of them were in WAP and that also got a stupid response to it.

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