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13 hours ago, Sabrin said:

 

I really don't have any sympathy for Ukraine. Maybe they shouldn't have been ethnic cleansing Donbas since 2014. Definitely not a Putin fan as he's a reactionary, but he is justified in invading Ukraine to liberate Donbas from literal neo-nazis. A broken clock yatta yatta yatta. Don't fall for Ukrainian tears and hysteria.

9 hours ago, Sabrin said:

That's funny because Ukraine has nazi organizations officially registered and one battalion with high nazi presence was integrated into Ukrainian army. but go off I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

Russia is still an oligarchic imperialist entity, and Putin is definitely a gangster and a dictator, but what he is not is a fascist. Words are important, darling. 

It seems Voldemort Pooptin haself has also invaded FOTP! Can't wait till he changes the faves sections to local Russian artist. That tatu section is gonna slay so hard! kr1 

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13 hours ago, Sabrin said:

That's funny because Ukraine has nazi organizations officially registered and one battalion with high nazi presence was integrated into Ukrainian army. but go off I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

Russia is still an oligarchic imperialist entity, and Putin is definitely a gangster and a dictator, but what he is not is a fascist. Words are important, darling. 

are you baddisease on lanaboards?

 

 

anyway, russia related

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21 hours ago, Harry. said:

Congress is literally rubbing their hands together at the prospect of raising the military budget, which equates to warmongering. 

 

Don't @ me. 

I’m going to start by saying that I do not believe that at this moment in time we (as in the US) need to be engaging with Russia militarily in this conflict in terms of boots on the ground troops in the Ukraine. At least not alone. We are not competent enough to be of any assistance and we are not tactful enough to do it without causing a larger scale war to erupt. 

Now, all that being said, I also do not believe that we should be practicing isolationism either. Backing the Ukrainian war effort, working to cripple Russia, throwing large amounts of supplies and funding to the Ukrainian military and any other military taking on this battle is a must. 

It is not always our responsibility to go to war in defense of another nation. It is however our responsibility as the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world to throw our support behind any operation that seeks to rise against and push back something that seeks to undermine the stability and peace of the world. If we have to spend a lot of money to do that, then by all means we should. 

The wider implications of this conflict extend far beyond the Ukraine. We have to assist, as do all other developed nations, in containing this in a way that also prevents the war from escalating. For now, that is sanctions, that is sending supplies and weapons to the Ukrainian military, that is helping fund a nation that cannot fund this resistance themselves forever. 

If the time comes that we have to intervene with boots on the ground engagement, then we will cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, there is a clear path to assisting without escalating and yes it involves opening our wallets. 

I work, I pay taxes, we all do. Most of us would be more than happy to pay a little more if it meant the Ukraine is getting what they need. If what they need in the future is us and other countries being there, then we will. But unless you actively want it to get to that point, you’ve got to be willing to let us give the money and resources to Ukraine now to hopefully stop it from getting there. 

I don’t know if it’s possible for this all to end without an escalation, without total war. But we have to try, and trying is not an inexpensive endeavor. We have our own issues to sort through domestically, absolutely. But if what’s happening over there continues to grow, then that’ll become directly our problem too. Keep that in mind. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Mendes said:

I’m going to start by saying that I do not believe that at this moment in time we (as in the US) need to be engaging with Russia militarily in this conflict in terms of boots on the ground troops in the Ukraine. At least not alone. We are not competent enough to be of any assistance and we are not tactful enough to do it without causing a larger scale war to erupt. 

Now, all that being said, I also do not believe that we should be practicing isolationism either. Backing the Ukrainian war effort, working to cripple Russia, throwing large amounts of supplies and funding to the Ukrainian military and any other military taking on this battle is a must. 

It is not always our responsibility to go to war in defense of another nation. It is however our responsibility as the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world to throw our support behind any operation that seeks to rise against and push back something that seeks to undermine the stability and peace of the world. If we have to spend a lot of money to do that, then by all means we should. 

The wider implications of this conflict extend far beyond the Ukraine. We have to assist, as do all other developed nations, in containing this in a way that also prevents the war from escalating. For now, that is sanctions, that is sending supplies and weapons to the Ukrainian military, that is helping fund a nation that cannot fund this resistance themselves forever. 

If the time comes that we have to intervene with boots on the ground engagement, then we will cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, there is a clear path to assisting without escalating and yes it involves opening our wallets. 

I work, I pay taxes, we all do. Most of us would be more than happy to pay a little more if it meant the Ukraine is getting what they need. If what they need in the future is us and other countries being there, then we will. But unless you actively want it to get to that point, you’ve got to be willing to let us give the money and resources to Ukraine now to hopefully stop it from getting there. 

I don’t know if it’s possible for this all to end without an escalation, without total war. But we have to try, and trying is not an inexpensive endeavor. We have our own issues to sort through domestically, absolutely. But if what’s happening over there continues to grow, then that’ll become directly our problem too. Keep that in mind. 

I agree with a lot of this. 
 

I don’t want war, I don’t wish war — but passivity and/or isolationsim in this case (and they are walking hand in hand with a whole gamut of reasonings) will open the door to catastrophic consequences.

 

One day it’s Ukraine, then it’s Moldova, then Hungary, then Poland, then the Balkans, then Western Europe.  You can’t wish away conflict, but if you work to stop it and not bury your head in the sand, you can stop an even greater conflict. I do think that the EU should shoulder more of the burden here, they have more an immediate vested interest in this. It’s the first shooting war between two separate states in almost a century. That being said, the United States possesses the most powerful war machine in the history of the world, we can afford to give some of our stuff away without raising taxes. 
 

If the Russian State is allowed to continue this, then we will eventually reach the point where the United States and NATO/EU can’t just back a combatant — they’ll be combatants. 

No amount of anti-war rhetoric will stop anything here. 

 

If soft force will stop a fully fledged world war where tens of millions die, I can sleep at night. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said:

I agree with a lot of this. 
 

I don’t want war, I don’t wish war — but passivity and/or isolationsim in this case (and they are walking hand in hand with a whole gamut of reasonings) will open the door to catastrophic consequences.

 

One day it’s Ukraine, then it’s Moldova, then Hungary, then Poland, then the Balkans, then Western Europe.  You can’t wish away conflict, but if you work to stop it and not bury your head in the sand, you can stop an even greater conflict. I do think that the EU should shoulder more of the burden here, they have more an immediate vested interest in this. It’s the first shooting war between two separate states in almost a century. That being said, the United States possesses the most powerful war machine in the history of the world, we can afford to give some of our stuff away without raising taxes. 
 

If the Russian State is allowed to continue this, then we will eventually reach the point where the United States and NATO/EU can’t just back a combatant — they’ll be combatants. 

No amount of anti-war rhetoric will stop anything here. 

 

If soft force will stop a fully fledged world war where tens of millions die, I can sleep at night. 

 

I don't totally disagree with you. Like I said, active engagement shouldn't be off the table by any means. I am just reluctant to say that it's currently the time for it. There's a lot of people who're gung ho about going in right this second (not you, I know that isn't what you mean) and I just think that's asking for failure. Given our history with going in guns a blazing, I just worry we'd create a bigger mess. If we have to actively engage, I don't think we should wait forever by any means, but I think we need to have a better handle on what's happening than we do now and ensure that we're not going in there by ourselves. The effort needs to be coordinated and coordinated well, and that takes some time that some out there are not willing to take. 

That's why for the time being I think we need to do what we are doing, doing it from a distance. In the meantime, be making a plan, be coordinating with our allies to make sure if we're doing it, we're doing it with as few holes in it as possible and doing it as a united front. 

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