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On 11/1/2022 at 5:19 AM, Madonna said:

Literally never did.

She didn’t re-release/re-record her entire discography to make even more money out of it by presenting it as something “brandnew”. When in fact it just sounds the exact same. dead2 

Madonna doesn’t release the same album in 20 versions (all of which don’t have anything special on them except a different cover).

Madonna didn’t keep her catalogue from streaming out of fear she wouldn’t make enough money or because she wanted to increase her digital sales.

Never did?

All of her albums have up to Ray or Light been re-released in remastered formats with many of them including bonus tracks. She is in the process of beginning a campaign of re-releasing her entire discography with unreleased tracks. She just released a 50 track remix compilation of tracks that have been available publicly for years.

From Confessions forward, there have been at least 2, in most cases 3, different versions of the albums made available; for Confessions there was a box set version with a unique bonus track, a version with another unique bonus track, and then the standard. Hard Candy had a standard, a box set, and the pre-order version, Celebration came in two versions with two slightly different covers and very different tracklists, MDNA had the standard with one cover and the deluxe with another cover and even had a club mix version with the same cover as the deluxe, Rebel Heart had 3 different versions with different covers AND in once instance a different style of packaging with each version featuring an extended tracklist, and MX was released in two different versions with two different tracklists, Finally Enough Love exists in two completely different versions with completely differenc content. 

She has released 987890 remixes of Frozen (a nearly 25 year old song), just did a cash grab remixed version of Material Girl, and you better believe more will be coming. 

She has literally been pulling these same strategies for damn near 20 years. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Never did?

All of her albums have up to Ray or Light been re-released in remastered formats with many of them including bonus tracks. She is in the process of beginning a campaign of re-releasing her entire discography with unreleased tracks. She just released a 50 track remix compilation of tracks that have been available publicly for years.

From Confessions forward, there have been at least 2, in most cases 3, different versions of the albums made available; for Confessions there was a box set version with a unique bonus track, a version with another unique bonus track, and then the standard. Hard Candy had a standard, a box set, and the pre-order version, Celebration came in two versions with two slightly different covers and very different tracklists, MDNA had the standard with one cover and the deluxe with another cover and even had a club mix version with the same cover as the deluxe, Rebel Heart had 3 different versions with different covers AND in once instance a different style of packaging with each version featuring an extended tracklist, and MX was released in two different versions with two different tracklists, Finally Enough Love exists in two completely different versions with completely differenc content. 

She has released 987890 remixes of Frozen (a nearly 25 year old song), just did a cash grab remixed version of Material Girl, and you better believe more will be coming. 

She has literally been pulling these same strategies for damn near 20 years. 

Wrong. Her first three albums were released as remastered versions in 2001. That was mainly because her label saw the unexpected new career spike from 1998-2001 as a chance to cash in on her old album. The so called “bonus tracks” were just previously released 12" versions. There was nothing new, nothing unreleased or re-recorded on there.

Most of her albums from The Immaculate Collection onward had very rare collector’s editions (1 per album and once again: nothing special on them) and there weren’t multiple versions of every album up until MDNA which had a standard and deluxe version. That said, she usually releases 2-3 editions of her album nowadays and that is a pretty regular number.

She hasn’t gone above and beyond about any of her album re-releases and she is likely not even involved in them. It’s mostly Warner’s doing cause she decided to resign with them. Her catalogue had been in a coma since 2009. Also: Releasing multiple versions/remixes of a single isn’t something particularly new or a cash grab of any sort. These singles were not released physically (unlike Taylor’s singles, which she sells as vinyls for a massive price). 

Try as hard as you want, no one is going the lengths Taylor is going to cheat her way to these chart records. She has always been an incredibly calculated and money-hungry capitalist. 

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Idk why the OP had to compare her with Madonna besides the fact that he's deluded, but some people here saying Madonna is having same strategies like Taylor Swift for releasing anniversary editions is sending me nicki5

Madonna was greedy for fame, Taylor Swift is greedy for success, accolades and to be liked. Madonna didn't care a lot when she was losing Grammys or her sales were declining. Even Taylor's debut album was HEAVENLY supported by her rich family, since day one it's clear she wanted success. nicki5 She's a greedy artist and it's easy to be greedy in the current music industry, since fans are very obsessed with charts now and will do anything to support the artist they like just to see him/her succeed (see Nicki Minaj getting #1s that no one remembers)

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It's always a good laugh seeing @Madonna's "drags" in Taylor topics lmfao2

He's just like a broken record, year after yearrrrr, saying the same old shit rip3 I liveee lmfao2

EDIT: Ooop sorry y'all, forgot to say he's also definitely gonna press that down-vote button like there's no tomorrow rip2

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Also let’s not forget the fact that 9 out of 10 tracks hit the top 10 before the campaign for Bejeweled / VS to get then higher with single releases. So even if she didn’t pull that stunt to get all top 10 songs under her belt, she still slayed the sales - and the majority of them are PHYSICAL sales too. 
 

Taylor’s fanbase is strong AF. brit3 

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7 hours ago, Shego said:

Idk why the OP had to compare her with Madonna 

Because in terms of success, fame, and cultural capital, Taylor is the only artist who’s on track to actually reaching Madonna’s milestones. She’s the giant of her contemporaries just like Madonna was and is following a similar career trajectory as well. They’re more related professionally than it seems either of their fanbases would like to admit. 

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10 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said:

Because in terms of success, fame, and cultural capital, Taylor is the only artist who’s on track to actually reaching Madonna’s milestones. She’s the giant of her contemporaries just like Madonna was and is following a similar career trajectory as well. They’re more related professionally than it seems either of their fanbases would like to admit. 

“Cultural capital”…no she isn’t! Especially not on a international scale. She isn’t nearly as successful outside of China and the US anywhere else.

She has a MASSIVE fanbase in the US and you know very well why that is. She’s one of the few artists that are unproblematic and basic enough to be marketable enough for young teens with a strong Christian background and kids of more liberal parents.

That is also the reason she will never have the kind of cultural impact Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna, Rihanna and even Lana had despite being more successful than most of them. Nothing she does, nothing she says or how she markets herself is particularly groundbreaking. Nothing of it breaks any boundaries, ushered in a cultural shift or a new trend in music or fashion. She just isn’t successful in that field and her attempts at compensating that lack through accolades and chart placements make her seem incredibly desperate.

She was always rich, she always had her family to help her reach a certain level of success and she ALWAYS had the white conservative Christian people on her side. That was and still is her advantage. 

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11 hours ago, Disco Darling said:

Are we not over this yet?

Let people enjoy their success. 

No we are not.

and no we are not going to do this, especially not if this thread was made by a Taylor stan with the attempt to boast and be arrogant about it. This is battlegrounds and we are allowed to shit on artists in here. If you don’t like it, get out!

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2 hours ago, Madonna said:

“Cultural capital”…no she isn’t! Especially not on a international scale. She isn’t nearly as successful outside of China and the US anywhere else.

She has a MASSIVE fanbase in the US and you know very well why that is. She’s one of the few artists that are unproblematic and basic enough to be marketable enough for young teens with a strong Christian background and kids of more liberal parents.

That is also the reason she will never have the kind of cultural impact Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna, Rihanna and even Lana had despite being more successful than most of them. Nothing she does, nothing she says or how she markets herself is particularly groundbreaking. Nothing of it breaks any boundaries, ushered in a cultural shift or a new trend in music or fashion. She just isn’t successful in that field and her attempts at compensating that lack through accolades and chart placements make her seem incredibly desperate.

She was always rich, she always had her family to help her reach a certain level of success and she ALWAYS had the white conservative Christian people on her side. That was and still is her advantage. 

Being groundbreaking is not a requirement of cultural relevancy. There are plenty of people who have broken new creative ground that are not culturally relevant just as there are many culturally relevant people who are not groundbreaking. 

Bjork is groundbreaking but are we going to say that she is a cultural powerhouse? Britney Spears is a cultural powerhouse but are we going to call her groundbreaking? 

The fact that whatever Taylor Swift does becomes a subject of conversation, be it positive or negative, speaks to how large her presence in the cultural landscape is. Even in the places that “nobody knows her” in like so many detractors state, there’s certainly a high volume of people from those places who make talking shit about her a personality trait. 

Conversation is conversation as far as cultural presence goes and there are few names on more lips than hers. Everyone watches what she does either because they love her or they despise her. 

That’s a cultural power few can claim. 

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On 11/3/2022 at 9:29 AM, Madonna said:

“Cultural capital”…no she isn’t! Especially not on a international scale. She isn’t nearly as successful outside of China and the US anywhere else.

 

Midnights reached #1 in all of Europe, hit Top 10 in Japan. Anti-Hero is a Number #1 hit in dozens European and Asian countries. rip4 girl you can't deny the facts. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Simón. said:

Midnights reached #1 in all of Europe, hit Top 10 in Japan. Anti-Hero is a Number #1 hit in dozens European and Asian countries. rip4 girl you can't deny the facts. 

 

 

Frontloaded. She isn’t nearly as culturally relevant as her inbred stans want her to look like. Probably hired a tech team to inflate her streams.

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22 minutes ago, Madonna said:

Frontloaded. She isn’t nearly as culturally relevant as her inbred stans want her to look like. Probably hired a tech team to inflate her streams.

See, that’s why your arguments are always so invalid. rip4  They have no fundament, based on no facts. 

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12 hours ago, Arya said:

Why are y'all arguing with @Madonna rip3

He's always had a hate boner for Taylor and whatever she does, you can go back years of topics on Fotp, he's always gonna be hating on all Taylor related stuff rip2

Yes, I will as long as Taylor is alive to be a calculated, fake bitch who does everything in her power to acquire accolades to compensate her utter basicness.

And you will continue to be pressed about it and complain! ny9 

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2 hours ago, Madonna said:

Yes, I will as long as Taylor is alive to be a calculated, fake bitch who does everything in her power to acquire accolades to compensate her utter basicness.

And you will continue to be pressed about it and complain! ny9 

The only pressed one is you rip3

You've literally been hating Taylor for years and years rip3

I'm not complaining that you're hating on her, you can spend your time however you want, I'm just asking everyone else where's the fun in arguing with you about stuff like this. Usually battlegrounds are fun and entertaining, but you're always the same broken record, reading your comments is like watching paint dry sorry sis rip2

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10 minutes ago, Arya said:

The only pressed one is you rip3

You've literally been hating Taylor for years and years rip3

I'm not complaining that you're hating on her, you can spend your time however you want, I'm just asking everyone else where's the fun in arguing with you about stuff like this. Usually battlegrounds are fun and entertaining, but you're always the same broken record, reading your comments is like watching paint dry sorry sis rip2

Because she has been insufferable for years and years and so have her fans.

Yes, you are complaining. Stop trying to pretend you’re not when you literally come out of your inactivity just to come in here and complain about me.

Taylor is pure evil and she needs to be stopped!

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7 hours ago, Madonna said:

Because she has been insufferable for years and years and so have her fans.

Yes, you are complaining. Stop trying to pretend you’re not when you literally come out of your inactivity just to come in here and complain about me.

Taylor is pure evil and she needs to be stopped!

I'm really not complaining though, I sometimes read bgs and it's just funny to me to see how pressed you are over her, but I'm not trying to make you stop, it's kinda entertaining to see how many things you can come up with to hate on Taylor rip2

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On 11/6/2022 at 7:39 PM, Arya said:

I'm really not complaining though, I sometimes read bgs and it's just funny to me to see how pressed you are over her, but I'm not trying to make you stop, it's kinda entertaining to see how many things you can come up with to hate on Taylor rip2

Looks like some things never change around here.

 

So now is Taylor the one that is hated the most by certain Madonna stans around here. What happened, Did Taylor shade Madonna or something? I am sure no stan of the queen of pop, who is all about power to the women and defending their rights, wouldn't attack other successful women for no reason. Right?

 

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